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Trwała zwiecha przy uruchamianiu

Postprzez Chill 25 Sie 2011, 16:10

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Witam, problem polega na tym, iż komputer zacina się niemalże zaraz po włączeniu mocy. Pojawia się na ekranie logo płyty głównej, na dole opcje wejścia w BIOS i POST i nic nie da się zrobić, klawiatura nawet nie reaguje (choćby capslock) totalna zwiecha.

Problem miałem już wczoraj. Odpaliłem komputer (po nocy), wszystko się załadowało poprawnie, windows itd. Jednak po paru minutach korzystania komputer dostaje totalnej zwiechy. Jedyna opcja to reset. Po resecie komputer zaciął się tym razem jeszcze przed załadowaniem windowsa w POST, po ponownym resecie zaciął się na dobre już we wspomnianym wyżej ekranie loga płyty głównej. Po ponownych resetach znowu było tylko logo płyty głównej, więc dla odmiany wyłączyłem komputer na parę dłuższych minut i uruchomiłem. Zadziałało komputer się już nie zacinał do końca dnia. Sprawdziłem temperatury przy pomocy Everesta i były w normie (Procek 50 pare stopni, karta grafiki trochę mniej - czyli tyle ile zwykle było). Przy włączaniu za równo wtedy jak i teraz pojawia się klasyczne pipnięcie sugerujące, że wszystko jest należycie podłączone.

Dziś z rana jednak po odpaleniu komputer znowu dostał zwiechy (bodajże w windowsie, kiedy wygaszacz ekranu był włączony - akurat w pokoju mnie nie było pare minut dłużej), klawiatura, nic, mysz tak samo nie reagowało - wyłączone totalnie. Resetuję i znowu conajwyżej logo płyty głównej mogę oglądać. Wyłączyłem, poczekałem, włączyłem, udało sie przejść ekran dalej, uruchomić nawet biosa, sprawdzić temperatury (były w normie), czekałem jakiś czas, po chwili znowu wszystko się zacięło, ekran, klawiatura itd. Obecnie nawet po dłuższej przerwie zatrzymuje się na ekranie/logu płyty głównej.

Dodam, że obudowę otwarłem, jedynie podłączyłem zasilanie, monitor i klawiaturę. Wyczyściłem z kurzu itp.
Kondensatory przeglądałem wstępnie, nie zauważyłem nic szczególnego (żadnych wypukłości czy rozlania)
Odłączyłem dysk twardy - problem występował mimo tego (zaciął się w biosie) więc na pewno nie jest to wina dysku.
Problem sugeruje, przegrzanie się czegoś (tak jak mówię, czasami udawało się odpalić dalej system po krótkiej przerwie - ochłodzeniu jak sądzę, do tego ostatnio dość upalna pogoda) - obecnie nawet to nie pomaga.
Możliwe, że jest to wina zasilacza. Niestety nie posiadam drugiego obecnie aby to sprawdzić. Może później.
Karte grafiki kupowałem rok temu, ma jeszcze rok gwarancji - wątpię by była problemem - tym bardziej gdyby tak było, sygnał przy włączaniu brzmiał by trochę inaczej (miałem taką sytuacje kiedy się jedna karta spaliła) i ogólnie inne symptomy jak sądzę.
Procesor z kolei wymieniałem jakieś 2 lata temu? Chodził sprawnie i bez problemowo, pastę chyba posrebrzaną dawałem. Może być problemem?
Problemy z pamięcią RAM też nie występowały, nawet teraz w POST poprawnie odczytywał wielkość pamięci.
W POST pojawiało się teraz ostrzeżenie system boot failure - coś w tym stylu, jeśli już się udało dojść do tego momentu

Reset biosa niczego nie zmienił, komputer "staje" na ekranie loga płyty głównej i nic się nie da zrobić.

Specyfikacja sprzętowa:

PROCESOR - AMD - Athlon X2 64 7750+ 2x 2,7 GHZ
PLYTA GLOWNA - Asus - M2N-SLI Deluxe nForce 570 SLI
KARTA GRAFICZNA - Gainward 9800GT 512MB GreenEdition
RAM - GoodRam - DDR2 2x 512Mb 667MHz + 2x 1Gb
DYSK TWARDY - Seagate 160GB Barracuda 7200.9 (8MB, Serial ATA II, zapis prostopadly)
DVD - BenQ - DVD+/-RW DW1655 LightScribe bulk black + soft
OBUDOWA - Spire - BlackFin III SP-2009B czarna
ZASILACZ - Modecom - MC-400ATX 2.0 PFC
SO - Windows 7 64bitowy

A co Wy o tym problemie sądzicie?
Pozdrawiam.
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Trwała zwiecha przy uruchamianiu

Postprzez blasterplaster 25 Sie 2011, 20:30

może zasilacz, może płyta, przydałoby się sprawdzić również jak komputer zachowuje się z inną grafiką
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Trwała zwiecha przy uruchamianiu

Postprzez C-oolt 26 Sie 2011, 08:03

Sugeruje wymienić/podmienić zasilacz i sprawdzić.

Widzę że posiadasz 4 kości pamięci RAM. Wyjmij 3 i jedną pozostaw i uruchom kompa jak będzie to samo to to samo spróbuj z kolejną. Dodatkowo zamień je miejscami. Spróbuj również uruchomić komputer bez podpiętych urządzeń tzn. myszka , klawiatura, drukarki i modemy zostaw tylko sam monitor i sprawdź czy działa.

Sprawdź również jak wyglądają porty USB i nie tylko. Powinny wyglądać tak:

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Możliwe, że któryś jest połamany i robi zworę do masy i komp staje.

Jeżeli to nić nie da to spróbuj odpiąć w środku dysk twardy, i wszystkie napędy CD/DVD i uruchom kompa.
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Postprzez Chill 26 Sie 2011, 13:47

Witam, dziś rano kompletnie nic nie zmieniałem od ostatniej (wczorajszej nieudanej) próby uruchomienia, podłączyłem monitor, klawiaturę i zasilanie, odpaliłem, przeszedł ekran POST miałem do wyboru: odpalić normalnie system lub odpalić program diagnozujący/naprawczy. Odpaliłem więc to drugie, zaczął się ładować, nagle pojawił się bluescreen. Resetłem więc kompa mniejszym guzikiem, tym razem zaciął się na logu płyty głównej jak wczoraj, resetłem znowu małym guzikiem i znowu to samo, więc dla odmiany wyłączyłem kompa na 2 min większym po czym włączyłem, uruchomił się dobrze, wszedłem do biosa, dość długo tam siedziałem (oczekując na zawieche, no i spisałem se napięcia, ustawiłem zresetowaną datę i godzinę itd), ale zawiechy się nie doczekałem, wyszedłem więc z biosa (zresetował się), doszedłem do zapytania o odpalenie normalnie bądź przez program naprawczy związany z uruchamianiem systemu- wybrałem znowu to drugie, tym razem odpalił się poprawnie bez blue screena, przeskanował jakieś 30min lub dłużej, nic nie wykrył, tzn nie wiedział co może być nie tak. Jakieś logi były wyświetlane więc je przejrzałem, na ogół wszystko poprawnie aż do ostatniego wpisu
Nieokreślone zmiany systemu mogą powodować problem
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Nie pozostało nic do zrobienia jak wyłączyć ten program - resetując przez to komputer. Tym razem odpaliłem całkowicie normalnie komputer, wszedłem na pulpit, wszystko działa jak by nigdy nic.

Dodam, że normalnie korzystam z dwóch kabli do monitora (cyfrowy i anologowy), oba normalnie na codzień są podłączone, analogowy musiałem podłączyć aby móc korzystać z zewnętrznego tunera tv przez który kabel zresztą biegnie więc jak potrzebuje telewizji to przełączam jedynie monitor z trybu DVI na D-SUB. Na potrzeby testów korzystałem z jednego (wczoraj z analogowego) kabla, dzisiaj z racji tego, że podłączyłem analogowym netbooka pod monitor, wykorzystałem więc cyfrowy i to jedyna zmiana, nie sądzę by miała znaczenie - przy pierwszych próbach uruchomienia w końcu problem się powtarzał.
Napięcia z biosu
VCORE Voltage 1.28V
3.3V Voltage 3.35V
5V Voltage 5.16V
12V Voltage 12.30V

Przy okazji, reset biosa nie powoduje jego deaktualizacji, wersja pozostała zaktualizowana.

Jeżeli macie jakieś pomysły co można sprawdzić z poziomu systemu to piszcie, problem może się później powtórzyć, a okazji już nie będzie.

@C-oolt sprawdzę to co radzisz gdy problem znowu wystąpi. Dzięki za informacje.
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Trwała zwiecha przy uruchamianiu // nie działa całkowicie.

Postprzez Chill 21 Wrz 2011, 16:17

Witam, problem z uruchomieniem znowu występował, wczoraj i przedwczoraj komputer zaraz po włączeniu po prostu się wyłączał (bądź nawet w ogóle nie reagował na power), jednak co raz "dalej" udało mu się odpalać i za którymś razem ruszał na dobre (już cały dzień). Dziś jednak kompletnie nie reaguje na włącznik, udało mi się w końcu coś włączyć za którymś razem.. no właśnie coś, wyświetliła się tylko czerwona dioda (wskazująca pracę systemu) podczas gdy niebieska (odpowiedzialna za moc) nie świeciła się wcale (sam się zdziwiłem). Komp się nie uruchamiał dalej, nic na ekranie nie było, chyba nawet wiatraki nie chodziły dobrze (takie dziwne trochę dźwięki występowały). I tak podczas kolejnych prób. Wyłączyłem w końcu kompa oraz listwę dostarczającą prąd do kabli po czym z powrotem ją włączyłem, oraz komputer. Efekt był taki, że niebieska dioda i czerwona się zapaliła, komputer dosłownie chwilkę działał, po czym się wyłączył (podobny scenariusz jak w poprzednich dniach), z tymże, nie udało mi się go "rozruszać" na dobre jak przedtem, cały czas się to powtarzało. Wyłączenie od prądu i po chwili włączenie, poskutkowało tym, że komp w ogóle przestał w jakikolwiek sposób reagować na power. Odłączyłem wszystkie kable, kompletnie wszystko, zostawiłem jedynie kabel od zasilania - nic więcej, bez efektu.

Zastosowałem się też do zaleceń kolegi 2 posty wyżej, sprawdziłem porty USB, wyjmowałem RAM, odłączałem dysk twardy, DVD itp. Bez różnicy. Nawet bios resetowałem znowu. Dioda na płycie głównej się świeci gdy prąd jest podłączony. Jedynie zasilacza nie mogę sprawdzić, gdyż nie mam w tej chwili jak załatwić drugiego do sprawdzenia. Prawdopodobnie oddam sprzęt do serwisu, jeżeli nie uda mi się załatwić tego drugiego zasilacza.

Stan na teraz jest taki, że w ogóle nic nie działa, nie reaguje na power, choć wcale bym się nie zdziwił gdyby np, jutro rano się jakimś cudem uruchomił...
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Postprzez Sh@m@N 21 Wrz 2011, 21:34

Zerknąłbym do środka zasilacza - na 90 % procent są w nim napuchnięte ze cztery kondensatory.
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Postprzez Chill 22 Wrz 2011, 14:18

Dobra, udało się podmienić zasilacz, komputer zadziałał, dodatkowo po rozebraniu, jeden z bardziej zagnieżdżonych kondensatorów był wypukły i rozlany. Spróbuję naprawić. Najważniejsze jest jednak to, iż winę za cały problem ponosi zasilacz, a nie płyta główna. Teraz to już kwestia naprawy/wymiany.
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Postprzez Sh@m@N 22 Wrz 2011, 18:11

Nie baw się w podmianę jednego - to modecom, co prawda z "w miarę dobrej serii", ale pójdą następne kondensatory jeśli nie wymienisz ich wszystkich na raz. Koszt jest niewielki i warto dać nowe.
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Postprzez Chill 22 Wrz 2011, 20:31

Zdecydowałem, że mimo wszystko kupię nowy. Żeby nie robić syfu, nowy temat: zasilacz-z-mysla-o-przyszlosci-vt128402.html
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