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Postprzez Lecter 04 Maj 2007, 16:03

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pawel1710 napisał(a):Mylisz się. Np takie PS3 ma moc zaledwie dwóch kart GeForce 6800 połączonych w SLI, więc nie jest to szczyt możliwości współczesnych pecetów, które mają juz duzo wydajnijsze grafy. X360 ma podobne mozliwości. Moim zdaniem zestawy podane wyżej są bardzo dobre, ale jak masz tyle kasy to, polecam dwa GF8800GTX i konsolki nowej generacji będa daleko w tyle za takim kompem, który styknie na bardzo długo.

Gry na konsole są duuuuuuużo lepiej zoptymalizowane :wink:


kajtekjr napisał(a):pawel1710 widze ze nie kumasz o co mi chodzi i nie za kumasz... :|

nie każdy musi wszystko rozumieć :lol:
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Postprzez Precel 04 Maj 2007, 16:18

Lecter napisał(a):Gry na konsole są duuuuuuużo lepiej zoptymalizowane

chciales napisac ze ze pod pc gry nie sa prawie wogole optymaizowane :wink:
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to by było na tyle....
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Postprzez DeadOrAlive 04 Maj 2007, 16:57

pawel1710 napisał(a):polecam dwa GF8800GTX i konsolki nowej generacji będa daleko w tyle

o mało monitora nie oplułem ze śmiechu, tak dla zobrazowania, karta graficzna w Xbox360 posiada jednostek Pixel Shader 784, Vertex Shader 384. Teraz policz ile to kart graficznych w kompie :mrgreen:
I zanim pojawią się takie karty dostępne w PC to już będą konsole nastepnej generacji :P

btw. GF8800GTX - Ilość jednostek PixelShader 128
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Postprzez guma 04 Maj 2007, 17:03

DOA to patrząc na PixelShadery to trzeba było by dać 6 8800GTX i by troszke brakło. Więc Konsole Rulezz. PS3 i xBox360 lepsze od kompów w tej dziedzinie. Doa sie zgadza, Fluid i precel też więc kończmy ten ot. choć postów nie nabijamy
xBox 360 1,5tyś, można wziąść sobie Playa 3, 3 tyś(wtedy będziemy mogli grać we wszystkie gry na rynku) potem telewizor 10 tyś i komp 10 tyś. i jedziemy. Podłączamy komp, ps3, xbox360 i jedziemy
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Postprzez DeadOrAlive 04 Maj 2007, 18:29

guma166 napisał(a):Podłączamy komp, ps3, xbox360 i jedziemy

i jeszcze na Wii zostanie :wink:
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Postprzez kajtekjr 04 Maj 2007, 18:38

DeadOrAlive napisał(a):i jeszcze na Wii zostanie


Ale Wii w porownaniu do Xpudla czy PS3 jest słabe... :( Mialem okazje na tym grac i jedyna frajda to machanie tym padem... nic wiecej... :( Troche sie zawiodłem...
guma166 napisał(a):Doa sie zgadza, Fluid i precel

Chyba jedyna dziedzina gdzie ci trzej panowie maja ten sam poglad xDD
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Postprzez pawel1710 04 Maj 2007, 21:15

Kazdy ma prawo do własnego zdania i własnych opinii. Z tym podwójnym geforcem 6800 w PS3 wcale nie przesadziłem. To są opinie wielu developerów tworzących gry na tę konsolę z czołowych firm w dziedzinie gier jak i ludzi, którzy pracowali nad ta konsola. Jak np konsola X360 jest taka mega hiper, to czemu, w grach nie stosują filtrowania anizotropowego, a gry są albo bardzo zblizone do wersji PC, lub nawet gorsze graficznie jak np w przypadku Quake 4 i jeszcze parę innych? Dodam tylko, że nie jestem jakims tam wrogiem konsol i sam bym się zastanawiał nad kupnem Xboxa360 jakbym miał te 1500 zł, ale ze względu na to, że mnie po prostu na mega wypasionego kompa nie stać. Zreszta narazie to mnie i na X360 tez nie stać, takie czasy nadeszły w tym kraju :wink: Ale mimo wszystko rozwinełą się fajna dyskusja i przestało wszystkim przeszkadzać, nawet moderatorom, że robimy OT :wink: Jeśli jest takie zainteresowanie tym tematem, to może stworzć temat w pogaduchach KONSOLE KONTRA PC i każdy niech się wypowie, pewnie cieszył by się taki temacik sporym zainteresowaniem :lol: Pozdrawiam wszystkich miłośników gier, ziezalęznie na czym grają :lol:
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Postprzez DeadOrAlive 04 Maj 2007, 21:20

pawel1710 napisał(a):czemu, w grach nie stosują filtrowania anizotropowego, a gry są albo bardzo zblizone do wersji PC, lub nawet gorsze graficznie

chyba chcesz mnie śmiechem zabić, widziałeś tekie tytuły jak Gears Of War, Lost Planet :?: Napewno nie, bo byś takich banialuków nie wypisywał.
I tak jak pisałem wcześniej, zrezygnowano z konwersji Gears Of War na PC bo nie ruszyłoby nawet menu gry.
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Postprzez pawel1710 04 Maj 2007, 21:36

DeadOrAlive napisał(a):chyba chcesz mnie śmiechem zabić, widziałeś tekie tytuły jak Gears Of War, Lost Planet Napewno nie, bo byś takich banialuków nie wypisywał.
I tak jak pisałem wcześniej, zrezygnowano z konwersji Gears Of War na PC bo nie ruszyłoby nawet menu gry.


Z tych dwóch akurat widziałem Gears Of War, owszem grafika nawet mozna powiedziec super, ale na dzisiejsze czasy nie jest to takie mega hiper. Zrezygnowali z konwersji na PC, bo niepotrafią zrobic porządnej konwersji. Widziałem też inne gierki na X360, jak np Quake 4, NFS Most Wanted, Splinter cell Double Agent i jeszcze parę innych, które są także na PC i jakoś różnicy nie widziałem w porównaniu z wersjami PC, oczywiście, pod warunkiem, ze na PC włączymy wszystkie detale. A np W Quake 4 wyrażnie rzucała się w oczy gorsza grafika, słabsze tekstury i cieniowanie, a w wielu grach gołym okiem widać, że nie ma filtrowania anizotropowego, wystarczy się przyjżec obiektom, które są w oddali. I znowu OT :wink:
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Postprzez DeadOrAlive 04 Maj 2007, 21:39

Nie widziałeś Lost Planet a to jest gra wyznaczająca kierunek rozwoju, tak jak N3, nie używaj jako argumentów gier, które mają juz swoje lata.
Niedługo premiera Halo3 i to dopiero będzie wyznacznik.
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Postprzez Green Lantern 04 Maj 2007, 21:40

Czytam ten temat i mi się śmiać chce :)

Normalne, że w tym momencie gry na konsole są ładniejsze niż te na PC, takie było założenie twórców konsol.
Żeby PC dorównał Playstation 3 pod względem grafiki i fizyki to brakuje mu 2-3 lat rozwoju.
Trzeba dodać, że obecne gry na next-geny nie wykorzystują 100% mocy konsoli. Niektóre tytułu stricte konsolowe są naprawde wypasione, ale tytuły multiplatformowe wyglądają tak samo na PC/X360/PS3.
Fajnym pomysłem było stworzenie tematu w którym kłócilibyśmy się PCvsKonsola X360vsPS3 - czasami by przynajmniej śmiesznie było.



Btw. Autor tematu chciał komp za 25k :wow:

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Postprzez pawel1710 04 Maj 2007, 21:49

Fajnym pomysłem było stworzenie tematu w którym kłócilibyśmy się PCvsKonsola X360vsPS3 - czasami by przynajmniej śmiesznie było.


Tylko żeby był przyklejony, zawsze na początku, w dziale pogaduchy, lub może gry, bo to związane z grami, pasowałby tez do hardwar-u, bo to w sumie o sprzęcie, więc może niech moderatorzy zdecydują, gdzie i czy utworzyć taki temat, ale fajnie by było :D


Green Lantern napisał(a):Żeby PC dorównał Playstation 3 pod względem grafiki i fizyki to brakuje mu 2-3 lat rozwoju.


No i kolega też ma zdanie podobne do mojego, konsole są zawsze wypas na początku, ale to szybko przemija :lol:
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Postprzez DeadOrAlive 04 Maj 2007, 22:00

pawel1710 napisał(a):utworzyć taki temat, ale fajnie by było

tylko po co :?: , skoro do ciebie nie trafiają żadne argumenty.
Dałem ci wcześniej prównanie kart graficznych z Xbox360 i GF8800GTX a ty dalej swoje :roll:
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Postprzez Green Lantern 04 Maj 2007, 22:07

pawel1710 napisał(a):PC, bo niepotrafią zrobic porządnej konwersji


Nie prawda. Żeby gra wyglądał tak samo musiałaby mieć albo mega wymagania albo mega dopracowany engine.
Konwersja GoW'a będzie na PC, ale dopiero za m.in. rok - tak twierdzą twórcy.


pawel1710 napisał(a):Np takie PS3 ma moc zaledwie dwóch kart GeForce 6800 połączonych w SLI


Mylisz się. PS3 moc rzędu kilkuset gigaflopów, 7 rdzeni, więc nie porównuj do PC.

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pawel1710 napisał(a):konsole nigdy nie beda wyprzedzac pecetów przez swoja zamkniętą architekturę.


No oczywiście.
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Postprzez pawel1710 04 Maj 2007, 22:58

tylko po co , skoro do ciebie nie trafiają żadne argumenty.
Dałem ci wcześniej prównanie kart graficznych z Xbox360 i GF8800GTX a ty dalej swoje


Mógłbym napisac to samo. Ale tu nie chodzi o to żeby kogos do czegoś przekonać, tylko po to aby podyskutowac i żeby każdy mógł się wypowiedzieć na ten temat. Po to jest chyba forum dyskusyjne czyż nie? :lol:


Mylisz się. PS3 moc rzędu kilkuset gigaflopów, 7 rdzeni, więc nie porównuj do PC.


I teraz znalazłem. Cytat z Wikipedii, na temat grafy w PS3:
"Zaprojektowana wspólnie przez firmy NVIDIA i Sony. Jej osiągnięcia można porównać do układu graficznego - 6800Ultra w trybie SLI (2x 6800 Ultra).
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programowalne, szeregowe potoki cieniowania
256 megabajtów pamięci RAM dla grafiki"

Co do rdzeni to ma ich 8 z czego do uzytku jest 6, tylko, reszta jest,ze tak powiem na zapas, w razie jakby procek zszedł z taśmy np z jednym rdzeniem uszkodzonym to i tak bedzie jako pełnosprawny, ale te rdzenie odpaowiadją za wszystko oprócz grafiki, o której wyżej, pc-ty juz mają procki 4 rdzeniowe np Quad Core - Intel Core 2 Extreme QX6700, który wcale nie jest gorszy, a pewnie niedługo będa i szybsze. :lol:
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Postprzez kajtekjr 04 Maj 2007, 23:06

pawel1710 napisał(a):Widziałem też inne gierki na X360, jak np Quake 4, NFS Most Wanted, Splinter cell Double Agent i jeszcze parę innych, które są także na PC i jakoś różnicy nie widziałem w porównaniu z wersjami PC, oczywiście, pod warunkiem, ze na PC włączymy wszystkie detale.



I wlasnie tu jest sedno sprawy... Aby wlaczyc te wszystkie bajery trzeba miec PCta za minimum 10k PLNów... :wow: A X360 oferuje swoja cala moc za 1,5k PLNów.. I tu jest ta roznica zawet gdy musial bys kupic telewizor w HD 1080p to jest wydatek ok 5k czyli razem 6,5k PLNów to i tak masz 3,5 k w kieszeni ;)

pawel1710 napisał(a):utworzyć taki temat, ale fajnie by było

To nie ma senstu... To tak jak tematy GF czy Radeon, pepsi czy cola i wiele innych ktore konczyly w koszu.. ;)

Green Lantern napisał(a):Żeby PC dorównał Playstation 3 pod względem grafiki i fizyki to brakuje mu 2-3 lat rozwoju.

To prawda... A zeby przegonic nastepne 2-3 lata a wtedy wychodzi kolejna generacja konsol i kolo sie zamyka... ;)

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pawel1710 napisał(a):pc-ty juz mają procki 4 rdzeniowe np Quad Core - Intel Core 2 Extreme QX6700, który wcale nie jest gorszy, a pewnie niedługo będa i szybsze


Pokaz mi aplikacje ktora wykorzystuej te 4 rdzenie... Ba pokarz mi aplikacje ktora wykorzystuje 2 rdzenie.... :? A konsola wykorzystuje juz swoje 6 rdzeni... :D
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Postprzez Green Lantern 04 Maj 2007, 23:09

pawel1710 napisał(a):Co do rdzeni to ma ich 8 z czego do uzytku jest 6, tylko, reszta jest,ze tak powiem na zapas, w razie jakby procek zszedł z taśmy np z jednym rdzeniem uszkodzonym to i tak bedzie jako pełnosprawny


Dokładnie to jeden jest odpowiedzialny za zabezpieczenia a drugi to jednostka zarezerwowana do zarządzania systemem :wink:

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kajtekjr napisał(a):Ba pokarz mi aplikacje ktora wykorzystuje 2 rdzenie....


Nie no. Dużo gier i programów wykorzystuje 2 rdzenie :wink:
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Postprzez cinek383 04 Maj 2007, 23:13

kajtekjr napisał(a):i tak masz 3,5 k w kieszeni

Np na konsolke dobrą, XboX albo PS3
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Postprzez DeadOrAlive 04 Maj 2007, 23:18

Jakby nie patrzeć i kombinować jeśli chodzi o gry to konsole biją PC-ty na głowę.


pawel1710 napisał(a):Cytat:
tylko po co , skoro do ciebie nie trafiają żadne argumenty.
Dałem ci wcześniej prównanie kart graficznych z Xbox360 i GF8800GTX a ty dalej swoje
Mógłbym napisac to samo.

Otóż nie, ja ci podałem dane techniczne, czarno na białym, ale jakoś do tego się nie odniosłeś, budujesz swoją opinię na grach wieloplatformowych (i do tego nie najnowszych), poprostu brak ci argumentów.
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Postprzez pawel1710 04 Maj 2007, 23:28

Kto by racji nie miał, to i tak nie jest to przełom na miarę tego, który się dokonał w grach w 1994 roku(w europie w 1995). Wielu uzytkowników tego forum zapewnie nie pamięta tamtych wspaniałych lat :wink: Kiedy to na rynek weszło Sony ze swoim PSX-em. Wtedy to był prawdziwy przełom. Na PC-ty, które nie miały wtedy żadnych kart graficznych z akceleratorem(całą grafe obliczał procesor główny), a Pentium było jeszcze kosztowną nowowścią, gry 3D prezentowały takie tytuły jak Wolfenstein3D czy później Doom i Doom2, gra Quake to były odległe plany, a większosc gier była wykonywana w grafice 2D. I nagle sony weszło ze swoja konsolka, na którą pojawiły się takie gry jak ridge racer, Tekken, Wipeout czy Destruction Dreby i wiele innych mega wypasionych graficznie jak na tamte czasy gier. Inne konsole też prezentowły o wiele nizszy poziom i gier 3D praktycznie na nie nie było, jedyna konkurencja dla Sony to była Sega Saturn, którą PSX wykończył i potem N64, które i tak zawsze było w cieniu PSX-a. Pc-towcy mogli jedynie pomażyc o takich grach jak na konsolce Sony. Dopiero w 1996 roku jak ukazał się pierwszy akcelelator sławne Voodoo, pecety zaczeły przeganiać jak to się wtedy mowiło Super konsole. Tamto to była prawdziwa rewolucja w grach, które przeszły z 2D do 3D na dobre, a róznica w grach z przed PSX-a i po jego premierze była kolosalna, wręcz zadziwiająca, nie to co teraz, wyłapywanie jakichs szczegułów :lol: Aż sie łezka w oku kręci jak sie wspomnie tamte czasy :wink:
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