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dysk twardy czy tez nie?

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Dysk twardy czy tez nie?

Postprzez Takeya 04 Maj 2006, 00:24

reklama
Tak wiec - zastanawiam sie nad zrodlem problemow w moim komputerze
sa nimi -
czeste wymogi reinstalacji systemu (16 reinstalek w ciagu 2 lat)
"zapamietywanie bledow" (czyli jak gdzies sie pojawi blad to reinstalka moze wogole go nie usunac mimo ze program znajdowal sie na dysku c)
czeste padanie programow
w dniu dzisiejszym na 2 minuty stracilem prad - i 80% danych z dysku e jest nieczytelnych... (25 gb danych poszlo spac)
wolne transfery dysku (cache 8mb 7200)
czeste bledy podczas wypalania plyt

pierwsze bledy zaczely pojawiac sie poltora roku temu...
w serwisie usilnie twierdzili ze wszystko jest w porzadku (to samo twierdzili z karta graficzna dopoki nie padla kompletnie) dlateog nie chcieli mi wymienic dysku na inny model...
pozatym - pol roku temu w pewnym programiku po miesiacu uzywania wyskoczyl blad dzwieku - i wyskakuje po dzis dzien... tak samo z grandia 2 (gra) - filmiki podczas pierwszej instalacji dzialaly jakis czas, az padly - do dzis nie mam juz mozliwoasci ogladania ich...

moj komp
proc- athlon xp 2500+
ram- 512 mb ram
grafa- ge force nx 6200 (wczesniej fx 5600)
dysk- seagate barracuda 7 7200 8mb cache
plyta glowna- nforce 2
system- Windows XP HELP... to znaczy HE PL (z proffem mam te same problemy co z HE ale nie wymaga AZ tak czestych reinstalek...)

czy to moze byc wina dysku twardego?
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Postprzez Lecter 04 Maj 2006, 00:32

Takeya napisał(a):czy to moze byc wina dysku twardego?

wszystko wskazuje, że tak
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Postprzez Precel 04 Maj 2006, 01:08

sciagasz
Seagate SeaTools
lub
DataAdvisor 5.0
i przetestuj dysk
wg mnie moze byc potrzebna wymiana dysku
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dziękuje za wspaniałe chwile... ale trzeba wiedzieć kiedy z sceny zejść niepokonanym
to by było na tyle....
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Postprzez Takeya 04 Maj 2006, 02:59

nie jest dobrze... partycja c i e nie przeszly testow... d jest w porzadku...

a tak poza tematem - co moglo sie przyczynic do uszkodzen tych partycji?
na dysku c zwykle trzymam windows, na d gry i programy a na e pliki sciagane z internetu...
i czy jest taka mozliwosc ze zle dzialajacy dysk nie pozwalal poprawnie funkcjonowac programowi nero express? gdyz swojego czasu mial problem z wypaleniem plyty powyzej 6% (ponad poltora roku temu - gdy zmienilem go na nero 7 nagrywa plyty ale zdarzaja sie bledy crc...)
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Postprzez Precel 04 Maj 2006, 03:42

nie jest dobrze... partycja c i e nie przeszly testow... d jest w porzadku...

prawopodobnie masz bad sektory na dysku wiec jak masz jeszzce gwaracje prawodpodobie czeka cie wyprawa do serwisu

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dziękuje za wspaniałe chwile... ale trzeba wiedzieć kiedy z sceny zejść niepokonanym
to by było na tyle....
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Postprzez Takeya 04 Maj 2006, 13:19

No niestety - gwarancja sie skonczyla, a kasy na nowy dysk na razie nie mam...
Kumpel radzi mi sformatowac wszystkie partycje, polaczyc i ustawic nowe... Jednak chyba nie jest to dobry pomysl... Czy to by nie pogorszylo tylko stanu dysku?
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Postprzez kahoona 04 Maj 2006, 13:22

Wypróbuj HDDRegenerator. W pełnej wersji ;) potrafi sporo naprawić. Tylko komputer pracuje całą noc nad jednym dyskiem.

Ten problem może być spowodowany np. słabym zasilaczem, niedociśniętą taśmą lub niedopracowanymi sterownikami. nForce 2 ma drobiazg - sterowniki 5.10, a w nich eksperymentalne nVidia IDE - polecam.
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Postprzez razor_71 04 Maj 2006, 23:09

jak dysk fizycznie jest uszkodzony to kaput , pisał wcześniej że prąd mu wyłączyli to nagłe odcięcie zasilania a potem tylko iskra przeskakuje z telarza na talerz i bad sectory murowane :D (sprawdziałem na Seagate Barracuda 40 GB posypał sie) jedynie Ups by uchronił cię od tego , żadne magiczne HDDRegeneratory to pic na wode , fotomontaż ! nowy dysk kup sobie chłopie ! nie ma co się męczyć , może padnie na dobre za chwile moż pożyje jeszcze z miecha :P twój cyrk twoje małpy ;)
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Postprzez kahoona 05 Maj 2006, 02:10

Napisał też, że kasy na nowy na razie nie ma - a utrata danych może być równie dobrze spowodowana błędem w logicznej strukturze dysku - na przykład wywołanej przez odcięcie zasilania przy zapisywaniu danych na dysk z włączonym buforowaniem zapisu.
Fizyki co prawda żaden HDDReg nie przeskoczy - ale błędne sektory potrafi odzyskać. To akurat wiem z doświadczenia, w tym osobistego.
Konkretnie - walnął częściowo zsilacz. Nie zauważyłem tego (stacja dysków a: nie działa, komputer był przewożony, mogła się odłączyć). Później BSODy, błędy odczytu, brak dostępu do plików, później do dysku. Skanowanie - błędy w plikach, w strukturze logicznej. Formacik. Nie można dokończyć operacji formatowania. Zewnętrzne programiki do dysków - formacik niemożliwy, bad sectors - 75 - 85 % dysku. Wniosek prosty - dysk do kasacji. Wtedy dopiero zastanowił mnie brak stacji dyskietek na liście. Rozkręcam wszystko - a w zasilaczu dioda upalona jak grzanka. Inny zasilacz - A: - jest, twardy 85% badów. Wypróbowałem HDDReg - całą noc się ślimaczył, a rano mogłem zainstalować system po kilkukrotnym (na próbę) zdejmowaniu i zakładaniu partycji.
Wniosek - nie wszystko co bad is real bad, czasami to inne goovno is bad.
Wypróbuj - może pomoże.
...no to żegnam... i kropka.
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Postprzez pawel1710 05 Maj 2006, 02:28

Zgadzam się mogą to być bad sectrory, ale może po prostu złapałeś jakiegos strasznie złośliwego wirusa, skanowałeś kompa jakimś antywirusem z najnowszymi bazami danych o wirusach. Są takie wirusy, żę wszystko mogą zrobić z komputerem, radze przeskanować zanim bedziesz kombinował ze sprzętem. Co do tego ze po nagłym odłączeniu prądu mogą siąść dane na dysku to jest to teoretycznie możliwe ale praktycznie mało prawdopodobne. Ja tak miałem kilka razy tej zimy i nic sie nie stało, moje dyski to kupiony w tamtym roku WD 80GB i piecioletni samsung 20GB, wiec może te firmy są duzo lepsze niż segate, z tego tak wychodzi. Czesto ostatnio spotykam sie z uszkodzonymi dyskami Segate dlatego odradzam tę firmę :)
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Postprzez Takeya 05 Maj 2006, 09:53

no i niestety - sprawdzalem caly dysk hdd regiem i nie wykryto ZADNEGO bad sectora... zastanawiam sie nad totalnym formatem z plytki i zalozeniem innych oartycji, a nad formatowaniem z systemu (toten programik z xpka co tam z dyskami sie bawi formatowaniem (kompletnym) i zakladaniem/usuwaniem partycji) albo w ostatecznosci - zerowanie dysku... co o tym sadzicie?

sorki ze rzucam tylko tyloma pytaniami co nie swiadczy za dobrze o mnie ale bardziej sie przykladalem do opanowania softu niz hardware... :/
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Postprzez kahoona 05 Maj 2006, 10:02

To będzie już 17 raz - jak napisałeś. Warto? Nie lepiej zdiagnozować uszkodzenie?
1. Sprawdziłeś taśmy i wykrywanie dysku?
2. Sprawdziłeś temperaturę i zasilanie (także dysku)?
3. Sprawdziłeś, czy aby przerwania w BIOS są przypisane do kanału IDE (w instrukcji do płyty powinny być wymienione - np. IRQ 11 - 13 dla DMA)?

Jeśli to wszystko jest sprawdzone - to zostanie formatowanie i instalacja - ale jeśli już będziesz to robił - użyj najpierw fixmbr z konsoli odzyskiwania systemu.
...no to żegnam... i kropka.
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Postprzez Takeya 05 Maj 2006, 14:30

1. poprawne
2. j/w
3. niestety - tego nie moge zlokalizowac ani w biosie ani w instrukcji :/

zarzucam tu loga jaki zrobil Sea Tools

SeaTools Desktop v3.02.04
Copyright (c) 2005 Kroll Ontrack Inc.

5/5/2006 @ 1:05 PM

The following information has been generated by SeaTools Desktop. Use
this information to help you recognize and resolve potential data access
problems.


System Information:
BIOS Date 07/10/03
Conventional Memory size 639 K
Extended Memory size 58532 K
IO Channel type PCI



Drive Information:
SIZE MODEL
--------- ---------------------
80 GB ST380011A


Serial Number = 5JV3LMDJ
Int13 Num = 80, PHYS CHS = 16383x16x63.
ParmTable CHS, Rsvd = 9729x255x63

PARTITION CYLINDER SIZE
---------- ------------ ----
# Type Start End MB
PRIMARY
1 NTFS 0 2431 20005
EXTENDED
2 FAT32 2432 6079 30007
EXTENDED
3 NTFS 6080 9728 30015


Diagnostic Results:



File Structure Test Result:

Partition 1 (NTFS (20 GB) ) Result: Failed with critical Errors

The following errors were found while scanning the volume:
- One or more errors were found in the index
- One or more errors were found in metadata file records


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Partition 2 (FAT 32 (30 GB) ) Result: Passed
1403724 KBytes in 15351 files
555 directories were found
2051177 KBytes in 3991 deleted files
263 deleted directories were found

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to proceed with repairs, contact a computer professional. After
completing any maintenance tasks, run SeaTools again to
verify that all errors have been repaired. If errors continue to
occur, the system may not be stable. Again, contact a computer
professional.




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Postprzez kahoona 05 Maj 2006, 15:19

Fajnie, że FAT32 chodzi, a NTFS nie. To by wskazywało na błędy w NTFS, a konkretnie w opóźnieniu zapisu przez dysk w tym formacie. Bez całkowitego zdjęcia partycji, formacie i założeniu od nowa (rozważ raczej FAT32) o radości z używania nie ma co marzyć. To mi wygląda (jak już pisałem) albo na błąd sterowników albo (czego nie pisałem) na błędy w kontrolerze. Jeśli możesz sprawdzić dysk u kogoś na poprawność i inny dysk u siebie - roztrzygnięte będzie, co się krzaczy (płyta, czy dysk).

I operacje na partycjach - no raczej innym narzędziem niż z płyty instalatora. Jakieś Partition Magic, 7tools partition manager...
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Postprzez Takeya 06 Maj 2006, 12:57

po zmianie partycji i przeformatowaniu i na ntfs i na fat 32 nadal sa bledy - ciagle na partycjach krancowych... program do zerowania dysku tez nie pomogl...
bedzie jednak trzeba kupic nowy dysk - mam do wyboru Western Digital - Caviar, Samsung i Seagate Barracuda 7 - z seagate zrezygnuje - ale zastanawiam sie miedzy samsungiem a caviarem - co byloby lepsze?
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Postprzez Lecter 06 Maj 2006, 13:09

Takeya napisał(a): co byloby lepsze?

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Postprzez kahoona 07 Maj 2006, 11:05

A kiedy już sobie zakupisz - spróbuj zaktualizować firmware do tego nieszczęścia. Wiem, że wyjątkowo rzadko to się robi, ale to jest sytacja, która tego wymaga. Z drugiej strony - ten dysk podpięty jako slave może działać idealnie.
...no to żegnam... i kropka.
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