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Allegro - nieuczciwy sprzedawca

Postprzez STRINGER 30 Cze 2009, 20:02

Cześć ;)
Mam mały problem. Po zakupie przedmiotu sprzedawca mailowo poinformował mnie o wyższych kosztach wysyłki niż zażyczył sobie w aukcji. Przy stosunkowo małej wartości przedmiotu widać ogólny wzrost ceny. Z ustalonych w aukcji 10 zł zrobił 15, bo niby właśnie się zorientował, że popełnił błąd. Jaki mam w tym wypadku prawa? Mogę odmówić zapłaty i zrezygnować?

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Allegro - nieuczciwy sprzedawca

Postprzez apg2312 30 Cze 2009, 20:05

Owszem, możesz. Nie masz obowiązku zapłacić ani grosza więcej, niż było w informacji o przedmiocie.
Jeśli to był błąd sprzedawcy, to on ponosi za niego konsekwencje.
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Allegro - nieuczciwy sprzedawca

Postprzez STRINGER 30 Cze 2009, 20:17

a w jaki sposób powinienem to załatwić? powiem mu, że nie kupię to mi pewnie wystawi negatywa :/
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Allegro - nieuczciwy sprzedawca

Postprzez apg2312 30 Cze 2009, 20:29

http://www.wyhacz.pl/Wyhacz/1,88542,5907046,Sprzedawcy_w_Allegro_zawyzaja_koszty_przesylki_.html
http://forum.gazeta.pl/forum/w,553,86822035,,Allegro_62_Ukryte_koszty_na_dowoz_i_pakowani.html?v=2
Ja bym osobiście nie zapłacił ani grosza powyżej prawdziwych kosztów. Cenę idzie przecież bez problemu sprawdzić na poczcie czy w firmie kurierskiej.
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Postprzez STRINGER 30 Cze 2009, 20:35

napisał mi, że dopiero sprawdził rzeczywisty koszt i był w błędzie wystawiając aukcję, bo przesyłka będzie kosztować 15, mam po prostu napisać, ze się nie zgadzam? (nie miałem nigdy wcześniej takich problemów)
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Postprzez apg2312 30 Cze 2009, 20:45

Zrobisz, jak zechcesz. Ja bym się nie zgodził - mógł koszt wysyłki sprawdzić wcześniej, albo napisać w opisie że "koszt wysyłki wg cennika Poczty Polskiej".
Ceny można sprawdzić bez wychodzenia z domu :
http://www.poczta-polska.pl/cennik.htm
O firmach kurierskich nawet nie wspominam, bo wszystko idzie na necie znaleźć.
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Postprzez gohan512 30 Cze 2009, 21:07

zwróć się od razu do allegro, niech oni wyjaśniają sprawę z gościem :wink:
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Allegro - nieuczciwy sprzedawca

Postprzez kajtekjr 02 Lip 2009, 09:27

Weźcie pod uwagę że koszt wysyłki to nie tylko opłata na poczcie czy za kuriera ;) Ja gdy coś wysyłam doliczam kilka zł do kosztów wysyłki za opakowanie i swój czas.. :P
Ale gdy piszę że wysyłka 15 zł to później nie zmieniam na 20 zł ;)
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Postprzez apg2312 02 Lip 2009, 17:10

Marek Janczyk, miejski rzecznik konsumentów w Poznaniu, odpowiedział:
Jeżeli sprzedający przed zawarciem umowy wyjaśnił, że jest to koszt dostarczenia przesyłki za pośrednictwem Poczty, a koszty te okazały się mniejsze, to jest zobowiązany do zwrotu nadwyżki na podstawie przepisów o bezpodstawnym wzbogaceniu (art. 405 kodeksu cywilnego i nast.).

Poza tym zapakowanie rzeczy i jej wysyłka jest podstawowym obowiązkiem sprzedawcy wynikającym z umowy sprzedaży rzeczy, a koszty tych czynności wchodzą w skład ceny. Nie może być więc tak, że obok ceny sprzedaży pojawiają się opłaty dodatkowe za realizację takich obowiązków.

Proponuję zgłosić ten problem do administratora systemu i wystąpić do sprzedawcy o zwrot nadpłaty. Jeżeli sprzedawca nie zrobi tego dobrowolnie, proponuję zwrócić się o pomoc do swojego rzecznika konsumentów.

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Re: allegro - nieuczciwy sprzedawca

Postprzez gohan512 02 Lip 2009, 17:48

apg2312 napisał(a):
Marek Janczyk, miejski rzecznik konsumentów w Poznaniu, odpowiedział:
Jeżeli sprzedający przed zawarciem umowy wyjaśnił, że jest to koszt dostarczenia przesyłki za pośrednictwem Poczty, a koszty te okazały się mniejsze, to jest zobowiązany do zwrotu nadwyżki na podstawie przepisów o bezpodstawnym wzbogaceniu (art. 405 kodeksu cywilnego i nast.).

Poza tym zapakowanie rzeczy i jej wysyłka jest podstawowym obowiązkiem sprzedawcy wynikającym z umowy sprzedaży rzeczy, a koszty tych czynności wchodzą w skład ceny. Nie może być więc tak, że obok ceny sprzedaży pojawiają się opłaty dodatkowe za realizację takich obowiązków.

Proponuję zgłosić ten problem do administratora systemu i wystąpić do sprzedawcy o zwrot nadpłaty. Jeżeli sprzedawca nie zrobi tego dobrowolnie, proponuję zwrócić się o pomoc do swojego rzecznika konsumentów.

Link podałem we wcześniejszym poście.


samym urywakiem zaznaczonym na czerwono ud*piłbyś ponad połowę sprzedających na allegro, bo większość ze sprzedających tam, dolicza sobie koszty zapakowania i dodatkowe "za czas" jak to napisał kajtekjr
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Postprzez apg2312 02 Lip 2009, 18:43

Nie moja wina, że większość ludzi ma wszystko w d...ie i nie potrafi zadbać o swoje interesy.
Po 1 - nie spotkałem się jeszcze z jakąś rzeczą, którą ma tylko jeden sprzedawca. Bo wiadomo, monopolista może narzucić ceny.
Po 2 - można popatrzeć po aukcjach, i nie tylko posprawdzać ceny towaru, ale i ceny przesyłek (ja przynajmniej zawsze tak robię).
Po 3 - fakt, miałem jak dotąd szczęście, że prawie wszystko co kupowałem odbierałem osobiście - najczęściej w Katowicach. I kosztowało mnie to bilety tramwajowe w obie strony + półtorej godziny czasu :)
Po 4 - przykład - paczka pocztowa do 1 kg kosztuje 9,50 lub 12 zł (zależy od gabarytów). Ja osobiście nie widzę jednak powodu, żeby komuś płacić za karton, papier pakowy, kawałek sznurka lub taśmy klejącej, zużycie długopisu, ślinę (musi jakoś przykleić nalepkę)... Może jeszcze mam zapłacić za wodę i mydło (bo przy pakowaniu się pobrudzi), piwo czy colę (bo pewnie się spocił), i schabowego z frytkami (przy pakowaniu stracił tyle energii). A gdzie zużycie i amortyzacja nożyczek ? Gdzie zużyty prąd - bo nie tylko światło, ale i muzyczka przy pakowaniu leciała (tu znowu kłania się zużycie radia czy mp3, no i abonament RTV)?
Może jeszcze na dokładkę mam zapłacić za zdarte buty, bo na pocztę daleko ? Albo jeszcze lepiej za taksówkę, bo po co chodzić piechotą i na dokładkę dźwigać 1 kilogramową paczkę ? A gdzie zapłata za stracony czas ? Rany, jak pomyślę że sprzedawca własnym autem zawiezie paczkę na pocztę i policzy mi za paliwo, zużycie auta, przejechane kilometry i co bądź jeszcze, to aż mnie ciarki przechodzą ;)
gohan512 - podsumuj teraz powyższe, i napisz mi, ile mam zapłacić za wysyłkę paczki ?
50 zł ? 100 zł? 200 ? Może więcej ?
Czekam z niecierpliwością na odpowiedź ;)
po 5 -
kajtekjr napisał(a):
Ale gdy piszę że wysyłka 15 zł to później nie zmieniam na 20 zł ;)

Dokładnie. Napisałeś na aukcji 5 zł zamiast 15 - Twoja pomyłka czy błąd, ze "1" Ci uciekła, i nic mnie to nie interesuje, że się pomyliłeś, że klawisz się zaciął, czy że nie byłeś 5 lat na poczcie i nie znasz aktualnych cen.
Wygrywając aukcję akceptuję cenę towaru oraz podaną cenę wysyłki. Napiszesz mi, że się pomyliłeś ? A ja to zaakceptuję albo nie.
W każdym razie po przybiciu aukcji nie jestem zobowiązany płacić grosza więcej, niż jest to uzgodnione. Zgadza się ?
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Allegro - nieuczciwy sprzedawca

Postprzez Wojtasgls 02 Lip 2009, 18:48

apg2312 napisał(a):O firmach kurierskich nawet nie wspominam, bo wszystko idzie na necie znaleźć.
bzdura... sklepy internetowe klienci ktorzy wysylaja wieksze ilosci paczek maja umowe podpisana z f. kurierskimi i maja ceny indywidualne i nigdzie tego nie znajdziesz to po 1.

po 2 przepisy okej (choc niewiem czy to prawda co jest powyzej napisane) ale na chlopski rozum ja moge sobie napisac 70zl koszt wysylki tak samo za dlugopis moge zadac 5000zl to widzisz co kupujesz i ile zaplacisz. Nie podoba sie idz sobie gdzie indziej.

po 3 masz racje nie zmienia sie regul gry po lub w trakcie gry. Piekny mail do allegro wystosuj opisujac sytuacje. Znajac zycie bo pare juz sytuacji spornych mialem allegro napisze: (gdy nie dojdzie do tranzakcji) on wystawi tobie negatywa, ty jemu i jak sie na tym skaczy to koniec nic nie wskurasz. Jak on wystapi o zwrot prowizji wtedy mozesz przedstawiac swoje racje tyle.
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Allegro - nieuczciwy sprzedawca

Postprzez kajtekjr 02 Lip 2009, 22:27

apg2312 napisał(a):Po 4 - przykład - paczka pocztowa do 1 kg kosztuje 9,50 lub 12 zł (zależy od gabarytów). Ja osobiście nie widzę jednak powodu, żeby komuś płacić za karton, papier pakowy, kawałek sznurka lub taśmy klejącej, zużycie długopisu, ślinę (musi jakoś przykleić nalepkę)... Może jeszcze mam zapłacić za wodę i mydło (bo przy pakowaniu się pobrudzi), piwo czy colę (bo pewnie się spocił), i schabowego z frytkami (przy pakowaniu stracił tyle energii). A gdzie zużycie i amortyzacja nożyczek ? Gdzie zużyty prąd - bo nie tylko światło, ale i muzyczka przy pakowaniu leciała (tu znowu kłania się zużycie radia czy mp3, no i abonament RTV)?
Może jeszcze na dokładkę mam zapłacić za zdarte buty, bo na pocztę daleko ? Albo jeszcze lepiej za taksówkę, bo po co chodzić piechotą i na dokładkę dźwigać 1 kilogramową paczkę ? A gdzie zapłata za stracony czas ? Rany, jak pomyślę że sprzedawca własnym autem zawiezie paczkę na pocztę i policzy mi za paliwo, zużycie auta, przejechane kilometry i co bądź jeszcze, to aż mnie ciarki przechodzą ;)
gohan512 - podsumuj teraz powyższe, i napisz mi, ile mam zapłacić za wysyłkę paczki ?


Wojtasgls napisał(a):Nie podoba sie idz sobie gdzie indziej.


Wszystko na temat punktu 4.. ;]
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