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Postprzez Yaku 06 Sie 2010, 02:12

reklama
Może znacie stronę z testami porównującymi takie płyty? Mnie się nie udało znaleźć. Zamiast tego natrafiłem na kilkadziesiąt "najlepszych płyt" z ostatniego 1,5 roku. "Najlepsze" tylko z nazwy, bo każda z nich ma jakąś Piętę Achillesową.

Najmocniej zainteresowały mnie :
Asus M4A77TD
MSI 770-G45
GA-870A-UD3
GA-790XTA-UD4
Asus M4A89GTD PRO
Asus M4A78T-E
Gigabyte 770T-USB3
GA-770TA-UD3 GA-770T-UD3
M4A785TD-V EVO

Może i niektóre z nich nie pojawiają się najczęściej ale ich opis wzbudza dobre wrażenie. Lecz czy na pewno każda z nich jest super stabilna, nieziemsko szybka, oraz doskonale nadaje sie do OC? Jak sądzicie?
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Postprzez Mike 06 Sie 2010, 15:07

Płyty jak płyty - chodzić będzie każda z nich.
Zacznijmy od początku:
- czego oczekujesz od nowej płyty?
- jakie ma mieć wyposażenie (jakieś wymagania co do ilości jakichś portów)?
- jaką kwotę chcesz na płytę przeznaczyć?
- jakie inne podzespoły będą na niej pracowały?
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Postprzez Yaku 10 Sie 2010, 03:36

Ah, nie wiem już zupełnie co wybrać. Tyle sprzecznych recenzji/testów płyt. Mam totalny mętlik.
Już mam swój ideał kiedy w innej recenzji poznaje jego wady, których nie posiada konkurent -.-

Odpowiadając po kolei:
- szybka, stabilna, z dużymi możliwościami oc - czyli standard
- 2 wolne PCI, 1 PCI-E x16 (karta zajmie dwa miejsca), SATA2 (a nawet dwa*), SATA3*, USB3*,
- 500zł
- Najprawdopodobniejsza wersja : X4 955 BE, 2x2GB ram, HD4890 lub jeśli nie znajdę żadnej po rozsądnej cenie to HD5850 ( 'trochę' drogawa), Audigy2, sieciówka, Karakorum* , gigant radiator Pentagrama* (jeśli cheap nie będzie leżał pod kartą graficzną)

Jakkolwiek jeśli istnieje płyta w rozsądnej cenie, która nie spełnia żadnego z powyższych - rozważę jej kupno i zmianę pozostałych elementów.

*niewymagane - choć zawsze to plus jakby było
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Postprzez Mike 10 Sie 2010, 18:57

Ja skupiłbym się tylko na nowych konstrukcjach (mowa o chipsecie) - oczywiście nie oznacza to, że starsze są złe.
Należy iść za postępem - po co kupować stare, skoro nowe także jest dobre (a nawet lepsze).
Nie brałem pod uwagę listy płyt, które wymieniłeś. Tak się jednak składa, że ta którą wybrałbym została przez ciebie wymieniona.
Mowa o Asus M4A89GTD PRO (jeżeli zależy ci na USB3, to dołóż do Asus M4A89GTD PRO/USB3 - chociaż wg. mnie szkoda ~60zł).
Płyta jest dobrze wyposażona, elementy także są dobrze rozlokowane (chociaż tu każdy może się do czegoś przyczepić), chłodzenie oraz sekcja zasilania także dają radę. Do tego dochodzi dobrze dopracowany BIOS (oczywiście należy go zaktualizować do najnowszej wersji), co w sumie pozwoli na całkiem spore o/c.
Ogólnie konstrukcja godna polecenia.
Myślę, że sprosta twoim oczekiwaniom.
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Postprzez Yaku 11 Sie 2010, 14:59

Wygląda dobrze. Możliwości OC są zadowalajace: http://pccentre.pl/article/show/ASUS_M4A89GTD_PROUSB3/id=17413;page=5
Niepokoi mnie kilka rzeczy:

1. M4A89GTD PRO od Asus M4A89GTD PRO/USB3 różni się tylko brakiem USB3 ?

2. Na płycie są dwa porty PCI-E x16 : niebieski oraz biały. O ile dobrze kojarzę niebieski jest główny a biały dodatkowy.
Niestety chcąc umieścić dwie karty PCI nie uda mi się włożyć grafiki do niebieskiego portu. Czy mogą być problemy w działaniu lub w szybkości działania jeśli umieszczę ją w dodatkowym porcie ?

3. Obawiam się, że Karakorum nie zmieści się z radiatorami umieszczonymi na płycie.
Już raz próbowałem spiłować radiator miedziany - w końcu poddałem się.

4. Czy dyski z SATA II podłączone do porty SATA III będę działać równie dobrze?

5. Czy jeśli nie dam rady włożyć dwóch ramów do dwóch pierwszych slotów, lecz dopiero do 3 i 4, to nie odbije się to na ich wydajności?
W mojej obecnej płycie jedynie na dwóch pierwszych chodziły na maxie. Przy kolejnych portach tracą na częstotliwości (nawet o połowę! ).
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Postprzez Mike 11 Sie 2010, 15:54

Yaku napisał(a):4. Czy dyski z SATA II podłączone do porty SATA III będę działać równie dobrze?

Tak

Yaku napisał(a):5. Czy jeśli nie dam rady włożyć dwóch ramów do dwóch pierwszych slotów, lecz dopiero do 3 i 4, to nie odbije się to na ich wydajności?

Nie, zresztą nie zakładaj, że chłodzenie zastawi wszystko.

Yaku napisał(a):1. M4A89GTD PRO od Asus M4A89GTD PRO/USB3 różni się tylko brakiem USB3 ?

Tak

Yaku napisał(a):2. Na płycie są dwa porty PCI-E x16 : niebieski oraz biały. O ile dobrze kojarzę niebieski jest główny a biały dodatkowy.
Niestety chcąc umieścić dwie karty PCI nie uda mi się włożyć grafiki do niebieskiego portu. Czy mogą być problemy w działaniu lub w szybkości działania jeśli umieszczę ją w dodatkowym porcie ?

Nie ma czegoś takiego jak główne PCI-E. W manualu napisane jest, aby karta była umieszczana w porcie niebieskim (PCI-E_2). Napisali także, że na tym białym też powinno działać.

Yaku napisał(a):3. Obawiam się, że Karakorum nie zmieści się z radiatorami umieszczonymi na płycie.

Jeżeli jest ono takie problematyczne, to trzeba je zmienić na inne. Chłodzenie sekcji zasilania oraz chipsetu jest równie ważne jak chłodzenie innych elementów - zwłaszcza, że chcesz zestaw mocno kręcić.
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Postprzez Yaku 11 Sie 2010, 16:02

Mike013 napisał(a):Nie ma czegoś takiego jak główne PCI-E. W manualu napisane jest, aby karta była umieszczana w porcie niebieskim (PCI-E_2). Napisali także, że na tym białym też powinno działać.


Zabrzmiało to trochę niepewnie.

Mike013 napisał(a):Jeżeli jest ono takie problematyczne, to trzeba je zmienić na inne. Chłodzenie sekcji zasilania oraz chipsetu jest równie ważne jak chłodzenie innych elementów - zwłaszcza, że chcesz zestaw mocno kręcić.


Ile kosztują radiatorki jakie można by kupić do tego zestawu (zamierzane wysokie OC)?
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Postprzez Mike 11 Sie 2010, 16:11

Na tej płycie są już radiatory na sekcji zasilania.

Yaku napisał(a):Zabrzmiało to trochę niepewnie.

Bo to jest loteria - może ruszy na pierwszym, a może nie.

Z drugiej strony po co Ci dwa sloty PCI?
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Postprzez Yaku 11 Sie 2010, 16:21

Mike013 napisał(a):Na tej płycie są już radiatory na sekcji zasilania.

Nie sugerowałeś wymienić je na niższe, w przypadku jeśli chłodzenie Karakorum nie będzie chciało wejść?

Mike013 napisał(a):
Yaku napisał(a):Zabrzmiało to trochę niepewnie.

Bo to jest loteria - może ruszy na pierwszym, a może nie.

Jeśli ruszy nie będzie możliwości aby coś działało nie tak?

Mike013 napisał(a):Z drugiej strony po co Ci dwa sloty PCI?

Jeden na kartę dźwiękową drugi na sieciówkę wymaganą przez dostawcę internetu.
Tą zintegrowaną na płycie wykorzystam do połączenia kompów w domu.
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Postprzez Mike 11 Sie 2010, 18:21

Yaku napisał(a):Nie sugerowałeś wymienić je na niższe, w przypadku jeśli chłodzenie Karakorum nie będzie chciało wejść?

Chodziło o zmianę chłodzenia na cpu. Poza tym jeszcze nie wiesz, że na pewno nie zmieści się ono.

Yaku napisał(a):Jeśli ruszy nie będzie możliwości aby coś działało nie tak?

Jeżeli ruszy, to powinno być wszystko ok. Karta powinna pracować z pełną prędkością. Oczywiście najlepiej byłoby włożyć grafę do białego slotu, co wiąże się z zastawieniem PCI.
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Postprzez Yaku 12 Sie 2010, 02:51

Mike013 napisał(a):Jeżeli ruszy, to powinno być wszystko ok. Karta powinna pracować z pełną prędkością. Oczywiście najlepiej byłoby włożyć grafę do białego slotu, co wiąże się z zastawieniem PCI.


Niebieskiego?


Płyta jaką proponujesz jest naprawda bardzo dobrym produktem. Możliwości OC, stabilność, z nowoczesny chipsetem i SATA III - super. Tylko te PCI mnie zniechęca, gdyż możliwe że będę musiał zrezygnować z 'muzyki' na której mi bardzo zależy.

Znasz jeszcze jakieś genialne płyty gdzie nie byłoby problemu upchnąć dwie PCI?
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Postprzez Mike 12 Sie 2010, 17:59

Yaku napisał(a):Niebieskiego?

Tak, chodziło o niebieski slot, mój błąd.

Yaku napisał(a):Tylko te PCI mnie zniechęca, gdyż możliwe że będę musiał zrezygnować z 'muzyki' na której mi bardzo zależy.

Zawsze można kupić dźwiękówkę pod PCI-E.
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Postprzez Yaku 12 Sie 2010, 18:52

Mike013 napisał(a):
Yaku napisał(a):Tylko te PCI mnie zniechęca, gdyż możliwe że będę musiał zrezygnować z 'muzyki' na której mi bardzo zależy.

Zawsze można kupić dźwiękówkę pod PCI-E.

Trochę szkoda mi posiadanej już Audigy2 (pomijając fakt że na najbliższe dwa miesiące zabraknie mi kasy, a przydało by się jeszcze zmienić monitor, bo przy obecnych crt 17' z 955 i HD5850 nie poszaleję)

Po mniejszych kosztach można by kupić kartę sieciowe pod PCI-E. Zdaje się to jakaś archaiczna konstrukcja, bo kosztuje sporo i nie ma ich wiele.
Są równie wydajne jak te pod PCI? Czy może gorsze nawet tej zintegrowanej z mobo?
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Postprzez Mike 12 Sie 2010, 19:07

Nie są gorsze - sieciówka, to sieciówka.
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