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Postprzez t0d 30 Mar 2007, 14:16

reklama
witam!

co mam:
    pc,
    laptop,
    modem kablowy (motorola sb4100),
    switch (5 portowy, 3com - modelu nie znam bo ma zatartą naklejkę ;))
    access point (d-link dwl-g700ap)

chcę zrobić następującą rzecz:
od modemu kablem ethernetowym sygnał do switcha, do którego podpięty jest pc z przypisanym zewnętrznym IP, oraz do którego podpięty jest przez kabel ethernetowy access point
wedle obrazka (znalezionego na stronie www.bricklin.com na której jakiś kolo robił prawie to samo co ja) :
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po odpowiednim skonfigurowaniu access pointa tzn włączeniu na nim serwera dhcp, włączeniu zabezpieczeń itd mogę ściągać przez wifi udostępnione dokumenty z jednego komputera na drugi

jednakże nic poza tym - pomimo podłączenia do switcha internetu na wifi nie mam

po kilku godzinach prób, doszedłem do wniosku, że winne za ten stan rzeczy jest nie włączenie w access poincie pobierania przez to urządzenie IP z serwera DHCP mojego dostawcy internetu (Toya w Łodzi tak btw ;) )
zanim to jednak zrobię chcę mieć 150% pewność, że będę w stanie sprawdzić jaki adres IP będzie miał access point (gdyby zostało mu przydzielone zewnętrzne IP to nie miałbym problemu - > www.whatismyip.com na jakimkolwiek komputerze łączącym się przez niego z internetem i już wiem, tylko że na 100% zostanie mu przydzielone wewnętrzne IP 10.xxx.xxx.xxx, które nie wiem jak sprawdzić..)

reasumując:
    jak sprawdzić adres IP przydzielony przez serwer dhcp do urządzenia do którego nie mam bezpośredniego dostępu (bo żeby wejść do konfiguracji to trzeba znać adres IP, który zostanie zmieniiony..) ?

    może jakieś inne pomysły co zrobic by internet mógł działać na laptopie przez wifi - poza udostępnianiem połączenia na pc - bo musiałby być również włączony :( ?
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Postprzez seg fault 31 Mar 2007, 18:57

od modemu kablem ethernetowym sygnał do switcha, do którego podpięty jest pc z przypisanym zewnętrznym IP, oraz do którego podpięty jest przez kabel ethernetowy access point

switchem sobie nie podzielisz łącza ... na obrazku sytuacja jest ok bo jest router a nie switch.
że winne za ten stan rzeczy jest nie włączenie w access poincie pobierania przez to urządzenie IP z serwera DHCP mojego dostawcy internetu
ale oni ci juz przydzielili jeden adres i drugiego ci nie przydziela (no chyba ze im zapłacisz;) )
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Postprzez t0d 01 Kwi 2007, 12:05

dobra - zamiast switcha mam teraz router Edimax br-6104K

ponawiam pytanie: jak to skonfigurować by na pc było zewnętrzne IP a notebook się łączył przez access pointa (na wewnętrznym IP) ?
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Postprzez seg fault 01 Kwi 2007, 13:23

jak podlaczysz tak jak obrazku to bedziesz mial na obu komputerach wewnetrzne ip, ale oczywiscie mozesz przekierowac na routerze porty z pc i korzystac tak jakby mial zewnetrzne ip.
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Postprzez t0d 01 Kwi 2007, 13:49

sęk w tym że jak tak podłączam to w ogóle nie mam przyznawanego IP - brak połączenia lub ograniczona łączność i IP 169.255.255.255 na obu

przekierować porty? a można jaśniej? (najchętniej co mam wpisać ;)) chodzi o to by wszelkie pakiety kierowane na zewnętrzny IP trafiały do pc z nadanym przez router adresem wewnętrznym?

adresy przyznawane są przez mojego dostawcę internetu drogą DHCP - czy w związku z tym mam włączać dhcp na routerze i access poincie czy to wystarczy?)

wewnętrzne IP przyznawane przez mojego ISP są z zakresu 10.xxx.xxx.xxx
zewnętnrze IP : 85.89.xxx.xxx
router: edimax br-6104K
access point: dwl-g700ap
co chcę osiągnąć: net na laptopie przez wifi (wewnętrzne IP) oraz net na pc koniecznie z zewnętrznym IP

innymi słowy:

sytuacja wygląda następująco: w domu mam jeden komputer połączony do modemu kablowego motorola sb4100 (nie ADSL) przewodem sieciowym (zwykłym) i niedawno dostałem w łapki notebooka z kartą wifi i do tego router edimax BR-6104K oraz access point d-link dwl-g700ap (jeszcze jakiś switch ale dowiedziałem się że do tego co chcę zrobić jest mi niepotrzebny)

moim celem jest stworzenie jednocześnie możliwości korzystania na obu komputerach niezależnie z internetu według schematu (stworzony na podstawie informacji jakie znalazłem na tym forum w różnych tematach)
Image jak również by oba komputery wzajemnie się widziały

specyfika mojego problemu polega na tym że na komputerze stacjonarnym bezwzględnie muszę mieć zewnętrzne IP, przydzielone przez mojego dostawcę internetu, ponieważ ojciec musi mieć możliwość zdalnego logowania się do swojej pracy (przez VPN jak i przez PC Anywhere) - no i czasem warto może coś ściągnąć z p2p do którego zewnętrzne IP jest jak znalazł ;)

próbowałem różnych ustawień ale nie mogę doprowadzić do pożądanej sytuacji - czy da się zrobić tak by komputer stacjonarny mógł "obejść" przydzielanie IP przez router i pozostać na "swoim" IP, przydzielonym na podstawie MAC adresu? znalazłem iinformacje o DMZ - ale z tego co zrozumiałem, to jest to tylko wyjątek od stosowania firewall'a, czy może się mylę?

za wszelkie sugestie będę zobowiązany

ps wolałbym nie kupować nowego sprzętu bo doskonale wiem że można dokupić modem kablowy z routerem wifi - ale chcę podejść do tego problemu w sposób low cost'owy ;)

dodam że mój ISP zezwala na podłączenie do modemu max 2 komputerów (pozostałe za dopłatą do miesięcznego abonamentu) - i tyle samo adresów przydziela (w moim przypadku zewnętrzny IP i drugi, wewnętrzny dla innego komputera podłączonego np przez port USB w modemie)

inaczej już tego chyba nie napiszę ;)
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Postprzez seg fault 04 Kwi 2007, 19:12

Moze sprobuj skonfigurowac to po kolei - najpierw router i komputer stacjonarny + przekierowanie portow, a jak juz takie polaczenie bedzie dzialac bezproblemowo dolacz acces point i laptopa.

adresy przyznawane są przez mojego dostawcę internetu drogą DHCP - czy w związku z tym mam włączać dhcp na routerze

tak, wlacz na routerze, polaczenie miedzy routerem a komputerem skonfiguruj wg insrtukcji dolaczonej do routera
próbowałem różnych ustawień ale nie mogę doprowadzić do pożądanej sytuacji - czy da się zrobić tak by komputer stacjonarny mógł "obejść" przydzielanie IP przez router i pozostać na "swoim" IP, przydzielonym na podstawie MAC adresu?

nie, on bedzie mial wewnetrzne - ale po przekierowaniu z zewnatrz bedzie widoczny, wiec bedziesz mogl postawic serwer, z vpn nie bedzie problemu (ja tez mam wew. ip + router i tez mam dostep do pracy przez vpn, tu chodzi chyba tylko o to zeby podsieci byly rozne) co do przekierowania,w konfiguracji routera poszukaj jakiejs opcji typu virtual server i mozesz przekierowac wszystkie porty (na temat przekierowania znajdziesz pelno tematow na forum)
chodzi o to by wszelkie pakiety kierowane na zewnętrzny IP trafiały do pc z nadanym przez router adresem wewnętrznym?
chodzi mniej wiecej o to, zeby pakiet idacy z zewnatrz sieci, rozpoczynajacy polaczenie, trafil do pc
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Postprzez t0d 04 Kwi 2007, 19:59

już sobie poradziłem

gdyby ktoś stał przed podobnym problemem, to ja go rozwiązałem tak (działa na obu kompach, na pc jest stałe IP bez kombinowania z forwardowaniem portów itd a na drugim jest bezprzewodowy internet): najlepiej na schemacie

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czyli: z modemu kablowego przewodem ethernetowym do switcha (pod 1 port / uplink) - tam podłączam pc i ruter (pod porty w moim przypadku 2 i 3)
dzięki temu na PC mam zapewnione zewnętrzne IP (bo switch nie ukrywa MAC adresu jego karty sieciowej) - czyli jeden warunek spełniony
teraz, żeby nie było sytuacji w której, jak napisałem na samym początku tego posta internet był tylko na jednym komputerze postanowiłem spróbować się pobawić tym co mam (:)) i podłączyłem pod switcha, zamiast od razu AP - ruter, na którym włączam klonowanie MAC adresu access pointa i jednocześnie włączam wbudowany serwer DHCP

pod ruter kablem podpinam access pointa ustawionego na dynamiczne pobieranie IP i wyłączam jego wbudowany serwer DHCP

resetuje modem (dla pewności), podłączam wszystko do prądu i ... działa
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