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Postprzez MUTOPOMPKA 09 Lis 2006, 14:26

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Przeglądając forum (już codziennie jestem) ;P znów będę się rozpisywać na temat forum, userów.....

Ale tym razem już spokojnie. :)

Otóż. Przeglaam sobie forum, i czytam Wasze posty. I jedna mnie rzecz uderza... Niektórzy z Was wpadają w "rutynę" nie do końca rozumując treść posta autora, któremu odpisują.

Podam przykład(y) tylko 3, bo więcej nie ma sensu:

Przykład 1:
http://forum.programosy.pl/tutaj-vp420549.html#420549

Nic nie dodam, gdyż wyjaśniłem w tamtym poście.


Przykład 2:
http://forum.programosy.pl/wymniana-czy-kupno-nowego-vp420534.html

Jeśli już ktoś podaje co user ma kupić, nie ch oprócz ceny, produktu poda jeszcze WYJAŚNIENIE, dlaczego wybiera to, i czemu ma się opłacać kupno tej rzeczy dla autora, który szuka/nie wie co wybrać.

Popatrzcie na ten post, co podałem jako przykład. Autor kompletnie zgłupieje, gdy dopisze się kilkunastu userów, każdy podając tylko to, co uważa za słuszne bez żadnego "polecenia". Do tego dojdą kłótnie, że to nie bo to "syf", a tamto nie, bo szajs itp.. I autor posta będzie w dalszym ciągu "zakołowany".

Przykład 3
Tu linka nie podam, gdyż to już sprawa szczególna. Otóż kolkanaście razy posty pisali "NEWBIE". Pisząc je starali się zachowywac jak w regulaminie. Jednym to wychodziło, innym nie (posty w koszu, zamknięte itp). Ale co mnie uraziło... Skoro "zielony" napisał na forum i opisał w miarę dokładnie swój problem Wy wyskakujecie z tekstami:
Kod: Zaznacz wszystko
Popraw temat, było, poszukaj itp.


I teraz moja prośba: Nie bawcie się w moderatorów, "przypominaczy" itp. Jeśli wiecie jak pomóc takiemu "nowemu" proszę o KONKRETNĄ ODPOWIEDŹ, czyli: Na tówj problem jest rozwiązanie, ktyóre podano w tym wątku (i tu sznureczek), lub napisać, jak się rozwiązuje daną sytuację.

A czemu o tym piszę? Ano dlatego, że:
a) "newbie" zapamiętają te forum jako miłe, uprzejme, i służace pomocą, przez co pozyska dodatkową:
a) reklamę wśród kolegów "newbie-go"
b) podniesie się "klikalność bannerów ;) przez co Nasz Wielce Panujący Szef Baczność @MaTi Spocznij zarobi na hosting :)
c) podniesie poziom i ułatwi szukanie KONKRETNEGO problemu.

To tyle. :)
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Postprzez M@ikel 09 Lis 2006, 14:58

MUTOPOMPKA napisał(a):Jeśli wiecie jak pomóc takiemu "nowemu" proszę o KONKRETNĄ ODPOWIEDŹ, czyli: Na tówj problem jest rozwiązanie, ktyóre podano w tym wątku (i tu sznureczek)

hmmm było pisane żeby nie tolerować leni... kiedys pomogłem takiemu laikowi to omało co bym dostał kreche i od tej pory tego nie robie... :?
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Postprzez AngelPL 09 Lis 2006, 15:18

no właśnie jedno wyklucz drugie moim zdaniem
pamiętam taki post gdzie któryś z modów bardzo niedelikatnie napisał userowi który pomógł "newbie" gdy ten poprosił o coś co było chyba w dziale poradniki
i moim zdaniem niewiadomo jak to interpretować ponieważ np. TY MUTOPOMPKA uznasz że taki user który pomógł "newbie" jest gut a np. DOA (oczywiście bez urazy to tylko przykład) niedelikatnie powie temu userowi że leniom niepomagamy
więc to jest sporne
i jak to wyjaśnić??
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Postprzez Z@K 09 Lis 2006, 15:41

dokładnie...co jest słuszne, pisanie 256 raz tego samego czy nie pomaganie leniom??
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Postprzez d3v 09 Lis 2006, 15:42

MUTOPOMPKA

tutaj się musze z toba całkowicie niezgodzic ponieważ jeżeli chodzi o tego usera który się Ciebie przestraszył to może to byc wina szkodnika bo sam tak kiedys miałem że przy 3/4 gier i każdym filmie i muzyce restrartował mi się komp i była to wina szkodnika

Co do temperatur tez się nie zgodzę ponieważ komputer w stresie wydziela dużo większą temperaturę i może to byc rekacja spowodowana nawyżką.Co do temperatury nie uważam że to jest aż tak bardzo spoykane i nie uważam żeby temperatura była przyczyną restartów przy tamtym kompie ale

Czy to źle że user chce wykluczyc każda możliwą przyczynę ??

wg.mnie Aqui niczym nie zawinił.Co do reszty to wystarczy spojrzec na posty (bez urazy-uważam że to nie jest złe zachowanie) andersa i już się odechciewa wchodzic na forum takiemy userowi :)
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Postprzez Aqui 09 Lis 2006, 15:48

Ronaldinio napisał(a):który się Ciebie przestraszył

Ronaldinio nie przestraszyl :wink:...
Ale dla mnie jest to nie fair,poniewaz uwazam,że w tym poscie zachowalem sie dobrze :?
Ronaldinio napisał(a):w stresie wydziela dużo większą temperaturę i może to byc rekacja spowodowana nawyżką

O to mi chodzilo,a zeby nie bylo,że teraz sobie tak powiedzialem,to mozecie poszukac na forum,kiedys tez userowi zalecilem przed wejsciem do gry tempearature i po wyjsciu z gry(tez mu sie cos dzialo,restart czy cos)
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Postprzez MUTOPOMPKA 09 Lis 2006, 17:44

AngelPL napisał(a):było chyba w dziale poradniki
i moim zdaniem niewiadomo jak to interpretować ponieważ np. TY MUTOPOMPKA uznasz że taki user który pomógł "newbie" jest gut a np. DOA (oczywiście bez urazy to tylko przykład) niedelikatnie powie temu userowi że leniom niepomagamy
więc to jest sporne
i jak to wyjaśnić??

Ano bardzo prosto! Dokładnie "pojechałem po newbie"... A czemu? SKoro był w dziale poradniki i napisał posta dokładnie pod postem, który rozwiązywał JEGO problem to przecież zakrwawa na paranoję, aby jeszcze udzielać TEJ SAMEJ ODPOWIEDZI!

Co innego, gdy "nebwbie" zadaje pytanie "w miarę konkretne", które jest specyficzne, lub powtarza się rzadko. Przedtem kilku userów "jechało" po takim w stylu: szukaj, uważaj, bo zarobisz krechę itp. Sam tak robiłem.

Ale sami powiedzcie: Nie wchodźcie na forum przez tydzień. I potem zacznijcie przeglądać forum. 70% rzeczy, które się tu pisze jest wg mnie niepotrzebna i powtarzająca się. Na prawie 40% zadawanych pytań są konkretne odpowiedzi i to w tematach przyklejonych! Ale po co mam szukać i się męczyć, jak mogę przecież zadać pytanie na forum, ktoś mi odpowie i po fakcie. A mod wali krechę i potem sa "pretensje i żale" kierowane w naszą stronę, że nam się w dupie poprzewracało, że mod (xywka) to buc, palant itp...

Trafia mnie np. to, że gdy mamy problem natury SPRZĘTOWEJ każe się dawać logi... Po co? Gdyby user jeden z drugim ZNAŁ rozwiązanie problemu wogóle nie pojawiałyby się często właśnie posty o logach.

Ten dział ma za zadanie "leczyć" kompy userów... A jak go się przeglądnie to wyciągnie wnioski następujące:
a) każdy prawie, kto pokazuje logi ma ANTYWIRA i firewalla
b) Ma system z WinXP+SP2
c) zainstalowane spy- i anty- programy

a pomimo to zawalone kompy, że aż miło się patrzy na robaczki i syfy.
Popatrzcie, że jest post przyklejony o robaczku (nie pamiętam jego nazwy) ale plik nosi nazwę IBMxxxxxx.EXE czy jakoś tak. I co rusz "ktoś ma problem" właśnie z tym pliczkiem. Pytam się teraz: czy przeczytał ten post? Czy osoba wstawiająca logi przeczytała SAMA przyklejony temat jak się je wstawia? To m.in. dzięki Wam (bo podajecie) sznurek to własnie tego tematu przyklejonego...

Ok. Zeszłem zdeko z tematu.

Zakręt o 45 stopni w lewo i już jesteśmy "na prostej". :mrgreen:

Z@K napisał(a):co jest słuszne, pisanie 256 raz tego samego czy nie pomaganie leniom?
Słuszne jest pomaganie, ale nie pisanie rozwiązania problemu, lecz podanie linka do tematu istniejącego. Tylko tyle. Czy to aż tak trudno zrobić? Wtedy połowa tematów nie miałaby "kłódki" (tak mi się zdaje).


Ronaldinio napisał(a):tutaj się musze z toba całkowicie niezgodzic ponieważ jeżeli chodzi o tego usera który się Ciebie przestraszył

A czy to moja wina, że user się "przestraszył"???? Wg mnie to jest właśnie zachowanie dla mnie dziwne, że wycofuje się! Wręcz powinien PRZYTOCZYĆ SWOJE CIĘŻKIE DZIAŁA, SWOJE ASY Z RĘKAWA!!! I ZAGIĄC MNIE!!! Że nie mam racji, gdyż tak i tak. Do tego popatrz na ten link (i podaje że skoro coś jest tak, to wina jest tego itp). Przecież ja też się mogę mylić!

I TO JEST WTEDY ROZMOWA MERYTORYCZNA i KONKRETNA! I o to mi chodzi, aby było na forum, a nie, że jeśli jest problem, i mod wyskoczy i "zagnie" to trzeba skulić ogon i uciec! A stanąć do "boju" i DYSKUTOWAĆ! po to jest forum, aby właśnie dyskutować! I z kim tu dyskusje toczyć? No sami powiedzcie z kim? Kiedy każdy się boi, kiedy siedzi cicho?
Ronaldinio napisał(a):wg.mnie Aqui niczym nie zawinił
A czy ja napisałem, że zawinił??? Czy ja go wywaliłem z forum? Czy napisałem, aby skoro ma pisac pierdoły nic nie pisał?


Aqui napisał(a):Ale dla mnie jest to nie fair,poniewaz uwazam,że w tym poscie zachowalem sie dobrze

Ja również się zachowałem dobrze, gdyż chciałem obalić Twoją teorię! I tu własnie DYSKUTOWALIŚMY wymieniając SWOJE RACJE!!! Więc dziwię się, że się wycofałeś! A szkoda!!! Bo naprawdę masz zasługo na forum, o czym świadczą Twoje posty i Twoje pochwały! Więc "głowa do góry"! I do boju! :wink:
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Postprzez AngelPL 09 Lis 2006, 18:07

Więc sprawa się już wyjaśniła gdy user pyta o coś co było w innym temacie to poprostu podajemy mu linka do tego tematu
a czy on dostanie krechę to zależy już od moda i niepowinniśmy się w to wtrącać
tylko żeby niebyło komplikacji "za podanie linka leniom"
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Postprzez Aqui 09 Lis 2006, 19:56

MUTOPOMKA napisał(a):czy napisałem, aby skoro ma pisac pierdoły nic nie pisał?

Ale to nie były głupoty i tutaj jest problem.......
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Postprzez M@ikel 09 Lis 2006, 20:17

Aqui napisał(a):Ale to nie były głupoty i tutaj jest problem.......

właśnie ! dyskusja :P udowodnji to :P
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Postprzez jeff 09 Lis 2006, 20:20

M@ikel napisał(a): udowodnji to


nie rob zametu :? :?
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Postprzez Aqui 09 Lis 2006, 20:30

Maikel a czy to co ja napisalem moglo byc przyczyna jego problemu??
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Postprzez Amistad18 09 Lis 2006, 20:48

MUTOPOMPKA kiedyś poruszałem podobny problem, ale nic z tego nie wyszło ...

1. z odpowiadaniem dzieci na czyjeś problemy sie raczej nie skończy, Ci mniej znający sie chcą pomagać pewnie tak samo jak my, a że ich posty raczej przeszkadzają niż pomagają bo czasami piszą straszne głupoty to już inna sprawa ... ale jak narazie tylko w bezpieczeństwie jest to pilnowane :D

2. co do odpowiadania "newbie" ... za czasu troche dyskutowałem o tym, nawet może dzień czy dwa było fajnie, ale potem wszystko wróciło do normy, no ale cóż, znowu sie będę produkował może znowu dzień czy dwa będzie fajnie ... a więc nawiązując do wypowiedzi MUTOPOMPKI, problem z odpisywaniem w stylu "było - szukaj" nie stoi tylko po stronie userów nowych czy tam nawet starych, ale także po stronie zielonych. Byś może szkoda komuś poświęcić 30 sek czy minute więcej na poszukanie jakiegoś linka, albo napisanie w miare sensownego wyjaśnienia dla jakiegoś dziecka, ale w tedy niech najlepiej w ogóle nic nie pisze, posta będzie można sobie jeszcze nie raz nabić ... ale nawiązując do tych co jednak nie tylko o liczniku myślą, osobą troche dłużej siedzącym na forum jest naprawde dużo łatwiej coś znaleźć, tak jak np ja znajde link do jakiegoś tematu w 30 sek to jakieś dziecko albo będzie to szukało godzine albo w ogóle nie znajdzie i pójdzie na inne forum ... no ale cóż, zaraz sie odezwą niektóre osoby i stwierdzą że dzieci dużych i małych nam na forum nie potrzeba, ale do czego taka polityka prowadzi to można sie obecnie przekonać ... jak za czasu nie można było wyrobić z odpisywaniem w tematach, SB sie potrafiło w godzine przewinąć, to teraz czasami na forum sie czeka aby ktoś łaskawie miał jakiś problem, a na SB potrafią być wypowiedz z datą 3 dni wstecz :? ...



MUTOPOMPKA napisał(a):Słuszne jest pomaganie

niestety dla wielkiego grona słuszny jest tylko licznik ...

MUTOPOMPKA napisał(a):Czy napisałem, aby skoro ma pisac pierdoły nic nie pisał?

nawet takie dosłowne "dobre rady" często nic nie dają ...

Aqui napisał(a):
MUTOPOMKA napisał(a):czy napisałem, aby skoro ma pisac pierdoły nic nie pisał?

Ale to nie były głupoty i tutaj jest problem.......

Aqui, ja rozumiem że niektóre osoby wolą sprawdzać logi bo na reszcie sie powiedzmy słabo znają, ale to nie znaczy że przy każdym problemie ludzie mają dawać logi do kontroli, a niestety dużo razy widziałem jak jacyś userzy ( prosze sie nie obrażać ale akurat wojtas mi przychodzi na myśl ) każą dać lg. z HJ, SR do kontroli żeby oni mogli sprawdzić, a i tak od razu wiadomo że syfu tam nie będzie, może kosmetycznie jakieś wpisy można usunąć, ale na 100% nie w logach tkwi przyczyna problemu ... co oczywiście nie znaczy że ktoś sobie loga sprawdzi, posta nabije, plusa załapie ... i tak sie koło zamyka ... to samo odnosi sie do osób które dokładnie cytują wypowiedzi innych w tematach o podobnych często powtarzających sie problemach ... już nie raz widziałem dosłownie moje słowa wypowiedziane przez innego usera ( nie mówie tutaj o quote oczywiście, bo to jest jak najbardziej wskazane ) ...

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Postprzez kilkujadek 09 Lis 2006, 20:52

Teraz trochę odemnie

MUTOPOMPKA napisał(a):I teraz moja prośba: Nie bawcie się w moderatorów, "przypominaczy" itp.

Nie zawsze się da ponieważ jest dział "szukasz filmu" i nie zawsze mod ma czas (bo też ma sprawy prywatne) przeczytać i wiedzieć czy ten film już był podawany czy nie . A my stali bywalcy to wiemy ( każdy w swojej dziedzinie) i nie czekając na moda takiego usera uświadamiamy. Może to wyglądać jak zabawa w moda ale czasami jest to czasochłonna praca .

MUTOPOMPKA napisał(a):PRZYTOCZYĆ SWOJE CIĘŻKIE DZIAŁA, SWOJE ASY Z RĘKAWA!!! I ZAGIĄC MNIE!!!

Z tym się zgadzam - Mod też człowiek omylny !
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Postprzez Aqui 09 Lis 2006, 20:52

Amistad18 napisał(a):bo na reszcie sie powiedzmy słabo znają

Mozesz mówic wprost,nie musisz nic sugerowac...
Widze,że wszyscy teraz są po stronie MUTOPOMKI rozumiem to,przeciez niedawno był temat o wyborze Moderatora
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Postprzez Amistad18 09 Lis 2006, 21:02

kilkujadek napisał(a):Nie zawsze się da ponieważ jest dział "szukasz filmu" i nie zawsze mod ma czas (bo też ma sprawy prywatne) przeczytać i wiedzieć czy ten film już był podawany czy nie . A my stali bywalcy to wiemy ( każdy w swojej dziedzinie) i nie czekając na moda takiego usera uświadamiamy. Może to wyglądać jak zabawa w moda ale czasami jest to czasochłonna praca .

kilkujadek, w takim przypadku raczej jest oczywiste że starzy userzy upomną jakiegoś delikwenta, sam jak miałem duużo czasu to trzymałem porządek w temacie o Dragon Ballu i w razie potrzeby zapraszałem jakiegoś moderatora ... ale jak sie widzi że ktoś za 50 czy 100 postami pisze " Szukaj ty buraku jeden i wio na pole, zaraz wpadnie fluid i będzie sie działo" - to ręce i witki opadają ...

Aqui napisał(a):Mozesz mówic wprost,nie musisz nic sugerowac...
Widze,że wszyscy teraz są po stronie MUTOPOMKI rozumiem to,przeciez niedawno był temat o wyborze Moderatora

nie będę mówił wprost o kimś kogo nie znam dobrze, a nie będę przeglądał wszystkich jego postów żeby zobaczyć czy sie tylko w np. bezpieczeństwie wypowiada, czy też hardware, system windows itp odwiedza ...

co do tych wyborów na moderatora to mnie rozbawiłeś :P, ale nie martw sie, większość dzieci tak ma :D
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Ostatnio edytowany przez Amistad18, 09 Lis 2006, 21:44, edytowano w sumie 1 raz
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Postprzez Aqui 09 Lis 2006, 21:11

Amistad18 napisał(a):ale nie martw sie, większość dzieci tak ma

Ty jestes tego przykladem
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Postprzez Red 09 Lis 2006, 21:15

Nie wiem czemu to ma służyć,załamujecie mnie ludzie.... :cry: :cry:
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Postprzez jeff 09 Lis 2006, 21:22

zamykam ten *** :x :x
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Postprzez Red 09 Lis 2006, 21:33

zamknij
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