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Podkrecanie procesora - problem

Postprzez RomZ 03 Maj 2010, 11:39

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Witam,
Chce podkrecic moj procesor. Przyznam sie, ze jestem w tym zielony, gdyz nigdy tego nie robilem ale mam juz kilka godzin poradnikow za soba. Wyposazylem sie we wszystko co bedzie mi potrzebny tj. Orthos, Core Temp, CPU-Z. Po 3 minutach testu Orthosem (na Priority 9) temperatura rdzeni w Core Temp wahala sie w przedziale 70 - 72 stopni. Pierwszy rdzen osiagnal maksymalnie 73, a drugi 72 stopnie celsjusza (robilem to na sucho bez zadnego podkrecania i bez zadnych zmian w biosie). Czy to jest normalne ? Bo cos mi sie zdaje, ze nie, choc przeczytalem, ze ten model procesora nie pokazuje prawdziwej temperatury z sensorow w rdzeniach.

A oto moj sprzet:
karta graficzna: Asus HD 3870 512MB DDR 4 256-bit (GPU:775MHz / Pamiec: 2250MHz)
procesor: intel core 2 duo E8400 3,0 GHz
plyta glowna: Asus P5K-E (WiFi - AP Edition)
ram: Kingston 4GB - 2x 2048MB (800MHz) DDR 2
zasilacz: Pentagram Silent Force 550W
obudowa: iBox Lion 605
system operacyjny: Windows Vista Home Premium (64bit)
W zadne dodatkowe chlodzenie nie inwestowalem.

Procesor chce podkrecic, gdyz mam w planach zakup nowej karty graficznej (Sapphire 5830 hd), a nie wykorzysta on w pelni jej potencjalu. Nie chce wyciskac z niego ostatnich potow i z tego co sie dowiedzialem, to dodatkowe 500MHz nie bedzie dla niego wiekszym problemem.
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Podkrecanie procesora - problem

Postprzez Fallen 03 Maj 2010, 13:29

Ustawiasz:
FSB 400MHz
Mnożnik x9 (default)
Dzielnik Ramu 2:1
Zwiększ lekko napięcie na procku

Nie pamiętam gdzie to w ami biosie jest i jak się nazywa ale ustaw:
Cpu Alarm Temp 70*C
Thermal shutdown

W razie czego komputer się wyłączy i przywróci na default (zależy od biosu) ale z tymi wartościami możesz śmiało uderzać.

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Podkrecanie procesora - problem

Postprzez RomZ 03 Maj 2010, 14:02

ok to wielkie dzieki ale mam jeszcze pytanie: bo nie moge w biosie znalesc fsb to ram ratio. (ten dzielnik ramu) Nie wiem gdzie to jest ukryte, juz chyba wszystko przeszukalem :(
Ale nadal nie udzielono mi odpowiedzi czy te temperatury w stresie sa normalne.
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Podkrecanie procesora - problem

Postprzez Ro Ha Su 03 Maj 2010, 14:38

Nie Moje ale powinno ci pomóc:

O co tyle zachodu?
Skoro czytasz ten artykuł to widocznie szukasz informacji jak podkręcać procesor lub czytasz go z ciekawości czy popełniłem jakiś błąd merytoryczny :) Swoje słowa będę raczej kierować do grupy użytkowników początkujących którzy dopiero poznawają całą teorię zabawy w overclocking.
Ot órz co to jest overclocking jest to nic innego jak zwiększanie parametrów wydajnościowych poprzez ingeręcje w zaawansowane ustawienia sprzętu. Są dwie grupy ludzi którzy bawią się w o/c. Pierwsza to ludzie którzy chcą komuś zaimponować i zrobić to dla własnej satysfakcji druga grupa to ludzie którzy nie chcą wydawać pieniędzy na sprzęt komputerowy a mimo tego chcą być na czasie za nowymi aplikacjami.

Teoria
Żeby zacząć bawić się w o/c musimy wiedzieć jak można zwiększać wydajność procesora, a sposobów jest wiele. A oto one:
-zwiększanie szybkości magistrali systemowej (Front Side Bus) jest to najbardziej popularny sposób i ogólnie dostępny dla każdego bez większego wysiłku
-zmiana mnożnika jest to głównie dopełnienie do zmiany FSB które daje jeszcze większy potencjał mocy
-odblokowywanie cache (to jedynie można wykonać na procesorach Duron Applebred oraz Athlon Thorton) ta czynność zmienia najbardziej nasz procesor a dokładnie powoduje że nasz procesor staje się droższą wersją tego z czego został zrobiony (Duron na Athlona a Athlon na Bartona) o odblokowaniu cache wspomnę jedynie na końcu artykułu w dziale dla expertów :)
-zwiększanie magistrali Hyper-Transport (można to traktować jako uzupełnienie wszystkich opcji powyżej) ta magistrala odpowiada za szybkość przesyłania danych we wszystkich najważniejszych punktach komunikacyjnych płyty (CPU, Chipset, RAM)

Co na początek
PODSTAWA TO ZASILACZ KTÓRY DA STABILNE NAPIĘCIA
W zależności od tego jaką mamy płytę główną musimy poszukać w biosie opcji które nas interesują czyli najczęściej jest to opcja FSB Frequency (zazwyczaj w większości płyt jest w zakładce Advanced Chipset Features w Abicie może to być w Soft Menu w Epoxie w PowerBios).
Kolejną ciekawą opcją jest CPU Clock Ratio czyli nasz wspomniany mnożnik. UWAGA opcja ta działa tylko na procesorach z odblokowanym mnożnikiem. Dla użytkowników platformy Intela mam złe informacje ponieważ wasze procesory mają na stałe zablokowany mnożnik i nie da się już z tym nic zrobić (chyba że macie wersję inżynierską:) ) W AMD sprawa wygląda inaczej ponieważ prawie zawsze można coś wymyślić, ale to w dalszej części artykułu.
Skoro już jesteśmy przy biosie to warto w nim poszukać opcji podnoszenia napięcia dla procesora i świetnie by było jakby znalazła się też opcja podnoszenia napięcia dla pamięci. W różnych płytach może to być w różnym miejscu. Mogą to też być zworki więc polecam wam lekturę waszego manuala z płyty głównej.
Podkręcony procesor trzeba mieć czymś przetestować czy aby nie przesadziliśmy z podkręcaniem i czy jest stabilny do tego posłuży nam programik Prime95.
http://www.mersenne.org/freesoft.htm
Kożystanie z programu jest naprawdę proste. Włączamy go, dajemy OPTIONS potem Torture Test i zaznaczamy drugą kropkę od góry (Max heat...) i klikamy OK. Wtedy nasza maszyna będzie bardzo obciążona. Jeżeli prime95 nie wyżuci żadnych errorów wtedy znaczy że dobrze podkręciliśmy procesor i możemy jeszcze go nieco podciągnąć.
Defakto musimy również zwracać naszą uwagę czy podczas testów temperatura nie podskoczy nam za wysoko żeby procesorowi nie było za cieplutko do tego może wam posłużyć oprogramowanie monitorujące producenta jakie dostaliście do płyty głównej lub każde inne które potrafi w czasie rzeczywistym podaje temperaturę.

Ważne zasady
-dla AMD nie zaleca się przekraczania temperatury 55-57C w stresie
-dla Intela nie zaleca się przekraczania temperatury 60C w stresie
-podkręcamy co 3-5 Mhz szyny FSB po czym robimy test programem Prime95 na około 5-10 min
-mnożnik zmieniaj co 0,5 i zrób test w Prime95 na około 5-10 min
-jeżeli komputer przestanie się włączać po nowym ustawieniu musisz zresetować biosa (albo wyciągnięcie bateryjki na 20-30 min albo o wiele szybciej przez zworek Clear COSM patrz manual twojej pyty)
-jeżeli masz opcję zwiększania napięcia dla procesora a widzisz że komputer działa niestabilnie lub nie włącza się lub Prime95 wywala errory to skorzystaj z niej.
-zwiększaj napięcie skokami co 0,025V i sprawdzaj rezultaty


FSB
Gdy podkręcamy poprzez szynę FSB musimy mieć na uwadze to iż podkręcamy też pamięci (a w większości płyt także magistralę PCI/AGP). Jeżeli mamy pamięci na 133 Mhz a nasz procesor dopiero zaczyna pracować od takiej magistrali to nie liczmy na to że podkręcimy dużo musimy zadbać o odpowiednie pamięci które dają na jakieś pole do manewru. Jednak jeżeli chcemy wydusić coś jeszcze z tych pamięci to mamy dwie możliwości. Albo zwiększamy TIMINGI (np. Z 2-3-3-4 na 3-5-5-8) lub szukamy w naszym biosie opcji która da nam możliwość doładowania naszych pamięci dodatkowymi voltami.
Rada dla AMD: Ustawiajcie pamięci synchronicznie względem procesora to znaczy jeżeli procesor pracuje na magistrali 133 to ustawcie sztywno pamięci na 133. Stosunek CPU:MEM 1:1
Rada dla Intela: U was jest sytuacja odwrotna niż w AMD żeby zanotować wysoką wydajność wasze pamięci muszą pracować na jak najwyższej szynie. Radze na potrzeby szukania ekstremum procesora ustawić pamięci też na sztywno względem procesora w stosunku 1:1 a po zakończeniu szukania najwyższej magistrali dla procesora szukamy najwyższej stabilnej magistrali dla pamięci.

Mnożnik
Tę część mogą pominąć użytkownicy platformy Intela, chyba że posiadają inżynierskie wersje procesora który ma odblokowane wszystko... ale nie łudźcie się ze przypadkiem znajdzie się w waszym komputerze jego nie można dostać w sklepie a nawet nie na portalach aukcyjnych :)
Wracając do AMD są trzy wersje wydażeń (to tyczy się wersji 32bit). Pierwsza to taka że mamy wmiarę dobrą płytę główną i procesor z odblokowanym mnożnikiem od nowości :) druga to taka że do odblokowania mnożnika będzie wam potrzebny tylko ołówek i troszkę taśmy trzecia to taka w której musicie przerobić swój procesor na wersje Mobile ale to już tylko dla zaawansowanych użytkowników, a poza tym nie można stosować tego na każdej płycie oraz podkręcanie odbywa się poprzez specjalne programy pod windows więc z tego artykułu i tak nie skorzystasz więc gra nie warta świeczki :)
Skoro 1 i 3 wersja wydarzeń została wyjaśniona to czas wytłumaczyć na czym polega druga a jest bardzo prosta i wmiarę bezpieczna ale nie zalecam tego początkującym użytkowniką chyba że mają aspiracje :) A oto co trzeba zrobić:
-wyjmujemy procesor z komputera
-odnajdujemy na procesorze mostki L1 zapewne będą wyglądały tak : : : : : .
-bierzemy ołówek dobrze zatemperowany i łączymy mostki żeby wyglądały tak | | | | | .
-NIEMOGĄ SIĘ STYKAĆ
-jeżeli jesteśmy pewni tego co zrobiliśmy przylepiamy na nasze dzieło kawałek taśmy klejącej żeby grafit się nie wykruszył i składamy nasz komputer w całość

Jeżeli nasze mostki wyglądają już tak | | | | | . przed operacją a mnożnik i tak mamy zablokowany to mamy wersję wydarzeń numer trzy czyli powrót do początku.

Hyper Transport
Podkręcanie szyny HT jest analogiczne jak podkręcanie FSB różnica jest taka że niema przyrostu Mhz na procesorze ani nie zwiększa się magistrala pamięci. Podkręcanie HT jest stosowane głównie jako uzupełnienie po podkręceniu już magistrali FSB do końca możliwości. Testujemy tak samo jak magistrale FSB


Cache
Nie napisze tu wiele bo na pewno nie wykonają tego początkujący overclockerzy a uszkodzenie procesora jest poprzez tą zmianę bardzo wysokie. Możliwe że pojawi się tu kiedyś dopełnienie tego dla użytkowników średnio zaawansowanych.






Nie odpowiadam za żadne uszkodzenia w sprzęcie powstałe poprzez stosowanie metod opisanych wyżej.

Wszelkie błędy proszę zgłaszać :)
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Podkrecanie procesora - problem

Postprzez RomZ 03 Maj 2010, 19:43

Dzieki za kolejny poradnik ale ja chce sie dowiedziec czy jest sens go krecic, jesli standardowo ( bez krecenia ) ma tak wysokie temperatury w core temp, chyba ze jest to dla niego normalne i wszystko jest ok. :wink:
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Podkrecanie procesora - problem

Postprzez Sh@m@N 03 Maj 2010, 19:56

Zacznij od rezygnacji z visty na rzecz seven lub xp - lub poprawnie w niej ustaw zarządzanie energią.
Po drugie - jeśli wadliwie jest odczytywana temperatura procesora - sprawdź to termometrem (lub per macandum - palcem na radiatorze).
Po trzecie - najprostszą w sumie rzeczą jest zmiana klasycznego 'gluta' nałożonego na procesor na dobrą pastę termoprzewodzącą (np. ze srebrem).

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Podkrecanie procesora - problem

Postprzez gohan512 03 Maj 2010, 20:41

przy kręceniu wymieniłbym chłodzenie procesora na jakieś lepsze niż box'owe
Edit by Mike013 - podpis niezgodny z regulaminem.
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Podkrecanie procesora - problem

Postprzez Mike 04 Maj 2010, 18:16

gohan512 napisał(a):przy kręceniu wymieniłbym chłodzenie procesora na jakieś lepsze niż box'owe

Ten BOXowy radiator do najlepszych nie należy, ale na pewno da się na nim procesor podkręcić (nikt oczywiście nie mówi o ekstremalnym żyłowaniu cpu na nim).
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