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[1600@2200] pomoc w złożeniu idealnego zestawu do gier

Postprzez Yaku 24 Lip 2010, 03:37

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Składałem kompa do 1600 zł.
Nie udało się.
Co sądzisz o takim sprzęcie? Masz lepszą alternatywę?
Poradź co wymienić chcąc osiągnąć poziom : wypas tani komp do gier na 3-4 lata

>>>Procesor:
Phenom II X4 955 Black Edit/3.2GHz, 125W, AM3, BOX, rev. C3/ 635zł
http://www.esc.pl/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=&products_id=18357

+ szybki, wydajny, fajnie się kręci, chce podkręcić na min 4.0
- drogi

>>>Płyta główna:
GA-870A-UD3 - 395zł
http://www.x-kom.pl/p/55523-plyta-glowna-socket-am3-gigabyte-ga-870a-ud3-870-2xpci-e-ddr3.html

+ SATA III, 2-3 sloty pod pci, cheapset nie leży pod kartą graficzną co pozwala umieścić spory radiator, stabilna
- obawiam się że przy podkręcaniu polegnie

>>>Pamięć RAM:
GoodRam 2GB 1333MHz CL9 199 zł

EDIT:
rozważam opcję kupienia:
G.Skill 4GB (2x2GB) 1333MHz CL9 NQ (+radiator)- 399zł
http://www.esc.pl/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=279&products_id=20988

+ tania, podobno stabilna, przydało by mi sie 3 GB (XP)
- brak radiatorków

>>>Dysk twardy:
1TB WD1002FAEX SATA3 64MB (w testach nad poprzednim wd) 367 zł

+ bardzo szybki (zapis, odczyt), wytrzymały, oraz z gwarancją 5-7 lat, dwa procesory, SATA III, WD jeszcze nigdy mnie nie zawiodło
- podobno głośny (sam nie wiem czy będzie mi to przeszkadzać, chyba że chrobota - przy samsungach mocno irytowało)

>>>Karta graficzna:
Radeon HD4890 1024MB/256bit PCI-Express 400-500zł
lub HD4870 1024MB/256bit

+ HIS /tania, wydajna, 256bit
- Saphhire,.. /DirectX10.1(?)

>>>Zasilacz:
bequiet! PurePower L7 530W 249 zł

+ pogłoski: stabilne napięcia nawet po długim czasie używania
- nie mam zaufania do nieznanych marek

____W sumie___ ~2345 zł - liczę na spadek cen do 2000-2200 zł

Posiadam:
gigant chłodzenie na procesor HP-120 AlCu Karakorum
kartę muzyczną Audigy2 na PCI
kartę sieciową na pci (wymagana przez dostawce netu)
nagrywarka Pioneer DVR-216 (sata II)
XP SP3 Pro (przy takim sprzęcie być może w grudniu kupię/zmienię na Seven), lecz wcześniej czeka zakup monitora. Obecny CRT 17'* ledwo trzyma się kupy.

* 'Rozsypek' 753DFX w zastępstwie IDEALNEJ Belinea 10 30 55 ( której jedyną wadą jest szybkie zużywanie się jednego kondensatorka lub/oraz cewki )
Ostatnio edytowany przez Yaku, 24 Lip 2010, 15:10, edytowano w sumie 1 raz
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[1600@2200] pomoc w złożeniu idealnego zestawu do gier

Postprzez KaRi 24 Lip 2010, 11:40

Yaku napisał(a):Składałem kompa do 1600 zł.
Nie udało się.
Co sądzisz o takim sprzęcie? Masz lepszą alternatywę?
Poradź co wymienić chcąc osiągnąć poziom : wypas tani komp do gier na 3-4 lata

Za tę kwotę złożysz zestaw do gier ale nie na 4 lata :?
>>>Procesor:
Phenom II X4 955 Black Edit/3.2GHz, 125W, AM3, BOX, rev. C3/ 635zł
http://www.esc.pl/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=&products_id=18357

+ szybki, wydajny, fajnie się kręci, chce podkręcić na min 4.0
- drogi

Bardzo dobry procesor, podatny na kręcenie, edycja BE, super, możesz śmiało brać

>>>Płyta główna:
GA-870A-UD3 - 395zł
http://www.x-kom.pl/p/55523-plyta-glowna-socket-am3-gigabyte-ga-870a-ud3-870-2xpci-e-ddr3.html

+ SATA III, 2-3 sloty pod pci, cheapset nie leży pod kartą graficzną co pozwala umieścić spory radiator, stabilna
- obawiam się że przy podkręcaniu polegnie

Płyta nie jest zła jednak ja wziąłbym Asus M4A77TD PRO /AMD 770, DDR3-1600/ - 325

>>>Pamięć RAM:
GoodRam 2GB 1333MHz CL9 199 zł

+ tania, podobno stabilna, przydało by mi sie 3 GB (XP)
- brak radiatorków

Jezeli wystarczy Ci 2 GB pamięci to bierz, ale myślę że możesz wziąć 4 GB, np. GoodRam 4GB (2x2GB) 1333MHz CL9 - 369
>>>Dysk twardy:
1TB WD1002FAEX SATA3 64MB (w testach nad poprzednim wd) 367 zł

+ bardzo szybki (zapis, odczyt), wytrzymały, oraz z gwarancją 5-7 lat, dwa procesory, SATA III, WD jeszcze nigdy mnie nie zawiodło
- podobno głośny (sam nie wiem czy będzie mi to przeszkadzać, chyba że chrobota - przy samsungach mocno irytowało)

Bardzo dobry dysk twardy, ale drogi, wg mnie starczy Seagate 1 TB 7200rpm 32MB cache SATAII Barracuda 7200.12 - 290, ale dezycja który to dla Ciebie :wink:

>>>Karta graficzna:
Radeon HD4890 1024MB/256bit PCI-Express 400-500zł
lub HD4870 1024MB/256bit

+ HIS /tania, wydajna, 256bit
- Saphhire,.. /DirectX10.1(?)

Są to dobre karty, lecz już trochę przestarzałe, bardziej opłaca się brać coś pokroju HD5770, np. Diamond Viper Radeon HD5770 XOC 1024MB DDR5 /128bit/ 2xDVI - 669

>>>Zasilacz:
bequiet! PurePower L7 530W 249 zł

+ pogłoski: stabilne napięcia nawet po długim czasie używania
- nie mam zaufania do nieznanych marek

Super zasilacz, i tu mnie rozśmieszyłeś <rotfl> , nie mam zaufania do nieznanych marek, BQ jest bardzo znaną i cenioną marką. Robią bardzo dobre zasilacze i możesz śmiało go brać
____W sumie___ ~2345 zł - liczę na spadek cen do 2000-2200 zł
po moich ingerencjach wychodzi 2247 +

Posiadam:
gigant chłodzenie na procesor HP-120 AlCu Karakorum

Jest na AM2 więc raczej odpada, a jeżeli chcesz kręcić to lepiej mieć coś lepszego niż box, więc Arctic-Cooling Freezer 7 Pro PWM Rev.2

XP SP3 Pro (przy takim sprzęcie być może w grudniu kupię/zmienię na Seven), lecz wcześniej czeka zakup monitora. Obecny CRT 17'* ledwo trzyma się kupy.

Jeżeli wymienisz na WIN7 64 bit, to weź 4 GB RAM'u
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Postprzez Yaku 24 Lip 2010, 14:53

kari [PL^^] napisał(a):Za tę kwotę złożysz zestaw do gier ale nie na 4 lata :?

Obecny komp właśnie tyle posiada.
Szczęśliwym zrządzeniem losu procek po podkręceniu osiągnął wydajność P4 3.0 i wszystkie gry w jakie chciałem zagrać chodziły bez problemu/bez przycięcia.
Teraz pragnę w podobny sposób przewidzieć wymagania jakie będą posiadały gry za 4 lata. Obawiam się, że 4-rty rdzeń będzie wymagany, a taktowanie 4.0 w pełni mnie zadowoli, dlatego zdecydowałem się na ten drogi procesor. Wzrost taktowania będzie powiązany z udoskonaleniem technologii tworzenia procesorów 6-8 rdzeniowych.

kari [PL^^] napisał(a):
>>>Płyta główna:
GA-870A-UD3 - 395zł
http://www.x-kom.pl/p/55523-plyta-glowna-socket-am3-gigabyte-ga-870a-ud3-870-2xpci-e-ddr3.html

Płyta nie jest zła jednak ja wziąłbym Asus M4A77TD PRO /AMD 770, DDR3-1600/ - 325


Wśród płyt ważną cechą jest dla mnie stabilność, bezpieczeństwo podczas wysokiego podkręcania, no i oczywiście samo podkręcanie. Też z początku brałem ją pod uwagę. Chcąc zrobić krok na przód wybrałem bardzo szybki HDD na SATA III. Do tej płyty go nie podepnę.

Przeniosłem swe poszukiwania na testy płyt z SATA III. Zdaje się SATA III pojawiło się niedawno. Wciąż mam nadzieję że taką znajdę. Dyski z SATA III są obecnie tańsze od starszych braci z SATA II.

kari [PL^^] napisał(a):
>>>Pamięć RAM:
GoodRam 2GB 1333MHz CL9 199 zł

Jezeli wystarczy Ci 2 GB pamięci to bierz, ale myślę że możesz wziąć 4 GB, np. GoodRam 4GB (2x2GB) 1333MHz CL9 - 369


Na razie jestem skazany na XP. Nie jestem pewien czy nie miałbym problemu z błędami po ich zamontowaniu.
XP wykrywa tylko 3.5 GB pamięci.
Stosunkowo cena między 2 GB a 4 GB kości pamięci jest identyczna, więc drugą dokupię później.

kari [PL^^] napisał(a):
>>>Dysk twardy:
1TB WD1002FAEX SATA3 64MB (w testach nad poprzednim wd) 367 zł

Bardzo dobry dysk twardy, ale drogi, wg mnie starczy Seagate 1 TB 7200rpm 32MB cache SATAII Barracuda 7200.12 - 290, ale dezycja który to dla Ciebie :wink:


Poprawka w cenie: 367 zł kosztuję wersja SATA II. Ten z SATA III kosztuje 339.00zł.
Wyróżnia go 64MB cache i 600MB/s przesyłu danych.

kari [PL^^] napisał(a):
>>>Karta graficzna:
Radeon HD4890 1024MB/256bit PCI-Express 400-500zł
lub HD4870 1024MB/256bit

Są to dobre karty, lecz już trochę przestarzałe, bardziej opłaca się brać coś pokroju HD5770, np. Diamond Viper Radeon HD5770 XOC 1024MB DDR5 /128bit/ 2xDVI - 669


Przyznam się szczerze że nie wiem na jakiej zasadzie pamięć procesora jak i grafiki jest wykorzystywana przez gry. Jakkolwiek jestem sentymentalny i lubię grać w stare gry takie jak Baldur's Gate czy nowsze Mass Effect, Juiced 2, TDU,... - część z nich nie działało dobrze na kartach graficznych posiadających szynę mniejszą niż 256bit (niezależnie od pamięci).
Spekuluję że nowsze gry działające z DirectX 11 świetnie latają na takiej karcie, natomiast w starsze potwory sprzętowe z DX 9 nie dałoby się grać. Stąd karta jaką kupię musi mieć 256bit szynę.

kari [PL^^] napisał(a):
>>>Zasilacz:
bequiet! PurePower L7 530W 249 zł

Super zasilacz, i tu mnie rozśmieszyłeś <rotfl> , nie mam zaufania do nieznanych marek, BQ jest bardzo znaną i cenioną marką. Robią bardzo dobre zasilacze i możesz śmiało go brać

git ^_^

kari [PL^^] napisał(a):Posiadam:
gigant chłodzenie na procesor HP-120 AlCu Karakorum

Jest na AM2 więc raczej odpada, a jeżeli chcesz kręcić to lepiej mieć coś lepszego niż box, więc Arctic-Cooling Freezer 7 Pro PWM Rev.2


Niespodziewane koszty :/ Szkoda - obecny doskonale się sprawdza, ale jak mus to mus.

kari [PL^^] napisał(a):
XP SP3 Pro (przy takim sprzęcie być może w grudniu kupię/zmienię na Seven), lecz wcześniej czeka zakup monitora. Obecny CRT 17'* ledwo trzyma się kupy.

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Postprzez floyd5 24 Lip 2010, 15:00

Yaku napisał(a):Na razie jestem skazany na XP. Nie jestem pewien czy nie miałbym problemu z błędami po ich zamontowaniu.
XP wykrywa tylko 3.5 GB pamięci.
Stosunkowo cena między 2 GB a 4 GB kości pamięci jest identyczna, więc drugą dokupię później.

Nie będzie, poprostu komputer nie będzie mógł wykorzystać całości.
Yaku napisał(a):Przyznam się szczerze że nie wiem na jakiej zasadzie pamięć procesora jak i grafiki jest wykorzystywana przez gry. Jakkolwiek jestem sentymentalny i lubię grać w stare gry takie jak Baldur's Gate czy nowsze Mass Effect, Juiced 2, TDU,... - część z nich nie działało dobrze na kartach graficznych posiadających szynę mniejszą niż 256bit (niezależnie od pamięci).
Spekuluję że nowsze gry działające z DirectX 11 świetnie latają na takiej karcie, natomiast w starsze potwory sprzętowe z DX 9 nie dałoby się grać. Stąd karta jaką kupię musi mieć 256bit szynę.


Zdecyduj się albo komp na cztery lata z 5770*, albo do starszych gier. Starą kartę zamierzasz sprzedać? Jeżeli nie do możesz jej używać do starszych tytułów.

*Chociaż podejrzewam, że za cztery lata bez modernizacji nowsze tytuły będą ledwo szły.
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Postprzez KaRi 24 Lip 2010, 15:22

Jeżeli przez te 3-4 lata gry mają Ci dobrze chodzić i musem jest 256 bit, to dozbieraj kasę do tej grafy PowerColor Radeon HD5830 PCS+ 1024MB DDR5 /256bit/ DVI/HDMI/DP - 899 , ale to grubo przekroczy twoje koszty. Lecz nie opłaca Ci się brać 4890 teraz chyba że będziesz grał tylko w starsze tytuły. To w takim razie nie bedzie Ci takie mocny sprzęt potrzebny :wink: Zdecyduj się :?
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Postprzez MichuPower 24 Lip 2010, 17:05

kari [PL^^] napisał(a):ecz nie opłaca Ci się brać 4890 teraz chyba że będziesz grał tylko w starsze tytuły.

Sugerujesz, że HD4890 jest słabą kartą graficzną??

Asus M4A77TD /AMD 770, DDR3-1600/ 305zł
AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edit 590zł
GoodRam 2GB 1333MHz CL9 185zł
Samsung 1 TB 7200rpm 32MB cache SATA-II F3 [HD103SJ] 290zł
Asus Radeon HD5770 CuCore 1024MB DDR5 /128bit/ DVI/HDMI 669zł
bequiet! PurePower L7 530W 249zł
Suma => 2209zł
Dysk polecam wziąć Samsunga. Ktoś podał Seagate - obecnie nie są to dyski najlepsze, grzeją się, natomiast seria Samsung'ów F3 bardzo dobrze sobie radzi.
Chcesz jak najtaniej i jak najwydajniej, więc na tą chwilę proponuję 2GB RAMu - zawsze można dokupić drugą kość.
Dzięki temu zaoszczędzimy na lepszę k.graficzna jaką jest HD5770 - w porównaniu do HD4890 posiada DX11, co jest bardziej przyszłościowym ruchem.
Co do chłodzenia - posiadany przez Karakorum będzie pasował na Socket AM3, także możesz go spokojnie zamontować na tym Phenomie. Z tym coolerem spokojnie możesz myśleć o O/C.
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Postprzez KaRi 24 Lip 2010, 17:22

Sugerujesz, że HD4890 jest słabą kartą graficzną??

Niczego takiego nie sugeruje, jest to bardzo dobra karta graficzna, sam ją posiadam i znam jej możliwości. Chodziło mi o to że teraz HD5770 jest bardziej przszłościowa ze względu na DX11
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Postprzez MichuPower 24 Lip 2010, 17:25

kari [PL^^] napisał(a):będziesz grał tylko w starsze tytuły.

Skoro znasz możliwości to chyba wiesz, że ta grafa pociągnie każdą najnowszą grę - nie tylko stare tytuły ;)
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Postprzez KaRi 24 Lip 2010, 18:02

MaxPower, dobrze o tym wiem, bo pykam we wszystko co wychodzi ( i mi sie podoba oczywiscie ), ale jeżeli ma to byc komputer na 3 - 4 lata to odpowiedniejszą kartą bedzie 5770. Chociaż i tak nie wiem czy za te 4 lata uciągnie nowe gry. Wątpie w to
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Postprzez Yaku 25 Lip 2010, 02:20

kari [PL^^] napisał(a):MaxPower, dobrze o tym wiem, bo pykam we wszystko co wychodzi ( i mi sie podoba oczywiscie ), ale jeżeli ma to byc komputer na 3 - 4 lata to odpowiedniejszą kartą bedzie 5770. Chociaż i tak nie wiem czy za te 4 lata uciągnie nowe gry. Wątpie w to


HD4890 będzie mnie kosztować jakieś 500 zł
HD4870 - 400 zł
Karta jaka proponujesz - prawie 900zł z tym, że nowsze karty mają problemy ze starszymi grami. Przykładowo twoja obecna na nowszych sterownikach gwarantuje 10 fps'ów w Gothic: Noc Kruka (obawiam się jak będzie w moich ulubionych Baldur's Gate i Jagged Alliance 2). Podobno tylko na ~Crystal 8.8 chodzi płynnie. Z Neverwinter Nights 2 kumpel też miał problemy być może z tego samego powodu. Jeśli przy HD4xxx są takie problemy nie wyobrażam sobie co dzieje się przy HD5xxx.

Jakkolwiek gdyby HD 5870 były tańsze (700 zł) pewnie bym się skusił.

W obecnej chwili planując kompa na 4 lata najlepszą opcją będzie wyhaczenie pierwszorzędnej HD4870/HD4890, którą po dwóch latach zastąpię tanią HD5890 ;)


Zastanawiam sie co z dyskiem. Nie ukrywam że napaliłem się na SATA III, tyle że nie widzę 'odpowiedniego' mobo.
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Postprzez floyd5 25 Lip 2010, 18:15

Aż takie potrzebne ci to SATAIII? W talerzowcach to bardziej chwyt marketingowy, ta technologia bardziej pasuje do SSD. Lepiej dołożyć do karty graficznej albo ramu w twoim przypadku.
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Postprzez Yaku 29 Lip 2010, 13:13

floyd5 napisał(a):Aż takie potrzebne ci to SATAIII? W talerzowcach to bardziej chwyt marketingowy, ta technologia bardziej pasuje do SSD. Lepiej dołożyć do karty graficznej albo ramu w twoim przypadku.


Prędkość odczytu i zapisu jest niesamowita. Właściwie te dwie dane przyssały moje zainteresowanie dyskiem. Na dalszy plan spadły teksty typu :

" wyposażony został m.in.: w duży 64-megabajtowy bufor pamięci podręcznej, dwa zintegrowane procesory zwiększające moc obliczeniową, technologię podwójnego serwomechanizmu zwiększającą dokładność sterowania położeniem głowicy "

"Szybkość zapisywania danych jest najwyższą osiąganą wśród dysków o tej pojemności. W aplikacji DiskBenchXP maksymalna szybkość odczytu i zapisu wynosiła 129,2 i 129 MB/s. Osiągający takie wyniki Caviar Black sprawdzi się więc doskonale m.in.: jako dysk systemowy, do obróbki i montażu filmów w wysokiej rozdzielczości, powinien być również doceniony przez graczy. "

"Wynik punktowy 9965 pkt. w aplikacji PC Mark05 HDD Score, który jest odzwierciedleniem szybkości działania systemu i aplikacji zainstalowanych na dysku jest wynikiem również najlepszym wśród dysków 1 TB."

I testy graficzne:
http://www.chip.pl/images/testy-1/Western_Digital_Caviar_Black_WD1002FAEX_1TB_53226.PNG/image_preview
http://www.chip.pl/images/testy-1/Western_Digital_Caviar_Black_WD1002FAEX_1TB_532261.PNG/image_preview
http://www.chip.pl/images/testy-1/Western_Digital_Caviar_Black_WD1002FAEX_1TB_532262.PNG/image_preview
http://www.chip.pl/images/testy-1/Western_Digital_Caviar_Black_WD1002FAEX_1TB_532263.PNG/image_preview
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Postprzez floyd5 29 Lip 2010, 13:51

W testach wcale nie miażdży Samsunga F3, różnice jak za +około 100 do dysku i płyty wg mnie nie są duże, w odczycie nawet przegrywa i jest głośny. Poza tym górna granica SATAII wynosi 300MB/s do czego ten dysk się nawet nie zbliża. To samo można osiągnąć bez SATAIII.
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Postprzez Mikou@j 29 Lip 2010, 13:54

Yaku napisał(a):W obecnej chwili planując kompa na 4 lata najlepszą opcją będzie wyhaczenie pierwszorzędnej HD4870/HD4890, którą po dwóch latach zastąpię tanią HD5890 ;)

Wydaje mi się, że planując kupno kompa na 4 lata, nie planuje się jego modernizacji. Sam sobie zaprzeczasz :roll:
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